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Sounds like a giant **** sandwich to me. I think we should just skip the formalities and have all BP executives drawn and quartered live on CNN.
Along with "Dreamboat Obama" for not jumping on it 5 minutes after he heard about it, remember how fast this clown jumped on "The Cambridge Police Dept"
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It seems the smount of oil released into the gulf may not be as much as the estimated prevoiusly given, it looks to be ~ 750k barrells. A huge disaster but not the 250K barrells of previous estimates. This lower figure is an estimate from an engineer based on the mud flow rate used to plug the well.
As Jack already pointed out, it's not just a "huge disaster" it's already the HUGEST disaster - and we're not even sure it's stopped yet.
The Gulf of Mexico undersea gusher has already spilled more oil than the Exxon Valdez disaster -- possibly more than twice as much, making it the largest oil spill in U.S. history -- government scientists said Thursday.
Scientists observed 130,000 to 270,000 barrels of oil on the water's surface on May 17, and think a similar amount had already been burned, skimmed, dispersed or evaporated.
That would mean 260,000 to 520,000 barrels had been leaked as of 10 days ago. The Exxon Valdez leaked about 250,000 barrels into Alaska's Prince William Sound in 1989.
Are you kidding? How about doing the SAFEST and RIGHT thing instead of the DRASTIC thing?
Just because it's "drastic" or "ASAP" doesn't mean it's the most effective.
Are you kidding? How about doing SOMETHING RIGHT, like dealing with the issue at hand, instead of ignoring the problem, or passing the buck. Seriously dude, do you think I'm saying they should literally go down there in haste, and throw bombs at it. The point is that we're well over a month into the spill, and they've done NOTHING. I'm sure though, that if King George were still in charge, you'd be all cool with how this has been handled. I'm positive of that.
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Yeah because trial lawyers, who I guess you believe aren't ultra-rich, take 50% of the settlement and their fees. Maybe you should think about what your saying. Are you carrying water for the poor lawyers?
who cares about "trial lawyers"?
Why are so many people on the right in favor of the free market except, apparently, when it comes to trial lawyers?
Nobody forces a plaintiff to hire an attorney on contingency. When the attorney does so, they're accepting risks as well -- like the entrepreneurs most on the right applaud.
If you like the $75mm liability cap, and dislike trial attys earning what the market will bear, maybe you also support caps on what oil execs can earn...
How about doing SOMETHING RIGHT, like dealing with the issue at hand, instead of ignoring the problem, or passing the buck.
Is it really "passing the buck" to hold accountable the people who are accountable and to expect them to rectify the situation? Is it really "ignoring" it when you immediately send The Coast Guard, the Homeland Security Secretary, the Secretary of the Interior, the EPA administrator, 200 personnel from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, 2 Incident Management Teams from the National Park Service, Minerals Management teams, The NOAA, The EPA, The DOD, The State Department, The CDC, The USGS and OSHA? All of them, along with countless lesser personnel are already on scene, and have been for weeks.
Seriously dude, do you think I'm saying they should literally go down there in haste, and throw bombs at it.
Seriously, that's what you said. No one had any idea it was hyperbole. No little face or anything. You say you were kidding, cool. Now we know.
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The point is that we're well over a month into the spill, and they've done NOTHING.
See above. Just because nothing's been successful doesn't mean it hasn't been thought of and either discarded as a non-viable option or it hasn't worked. There's a world of difference between "NOTHING" and "not enough."
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I'm sure though, that if King George were still in charge, you'd be all cool with how this has been handled. I'm positive of that.
Hard to tell, isn't it? One was a natural disaster - with no one in particular to be held responsible for it's occurance. Natural disasters have governmental response teams which are supposed to be trained to take care of the aftermath - not to make it stop happening. No one held Bush accountable for stopping the hurricane winds. And no one could make God responsible for cleaning it up. The other is a man-made disaster - with a clear cut culprit who IS responsible. It's only right and just that whoever caused it bears the responsibility for taking care of it. Parenting 101 - "You made the mess. You clean it up."
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Is it really "passing the buck" to hold accountable the people who are accountable and to expect them to rectify the situation? Is it really "ignoring" it when you immediately send The Coast Guard, the Homeland Security Secretary, the Secretary of the Interior, the EPA administrator, 200 personnel from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, 2 Incident Management Teams from the National Park Service, Minerals Management teams, The NOAA, The EPA, The DOD, The State Department, The CDC, The USGS and OSHA? All of them, along with countless lesser personnel are already on scene, and have been for weeks.
Seriously, that's what you said. No one had any idea it was hyperbole. No little face or anything. You say you were kidding, cool. Now we know.
See above. Just because nothing's been successful doesn't mean it hasn't been thought of and either discarded as a non-viable option or it hasn't worked. There's a world of difference between "NOTHING" and "not enough."
Hard to tell, isn't it? One was a natural disaster - with no one in particular to be held responsible for it's occurance. Natural disasters have governmental response teams which are supposed to be trained to take care of the aftermath - not to make it stop happening. No one held Bush accountable for stopping the hurricane winds. And no one could make God responsible for cleaning it up. The other is a man-made disaster - with a clear cut culprit who IS responsible. It's only right and just that whoever caused it bears the responsibility for taking care of it. Parenting 101 - "You made the mess. You clean it up."
I think the response from many on the right is disingenuous but the situation is getting worse down there. I really believe early on there was too much “I thought you were going to get it” coupled with, “we are on top of it” attitudes from the Gov. At this point it doesn’t make me feel any better to know who is to blame here. BP has not been up to the task and the fact is the response from the Government has been insufficient.
At this point it doesn’t make me feel any better to know who is to blame here. BP has not been up to the task and the fact is the response from the Government has been insufficient.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I quite agree with you. I'm just pointing out that there IS a difference between "did nothing" and "didn't do enough." I agree wholeheartedly that enough has not been done.
I think there's not much can be done by the government to stop the oil from leaking. That really is BPs problem - if anyone's going to be able to figure out how to stop it it's got to be the people do deal with that sort of equipment and that sort of underwater terrain on a daily basis. Asking the President of the United States to know how to stop the leak is like me asking him how to intubate a patient with a swollen airway - or a heart surgeon saying, "Dude, I can't finish this, I've accidently cut the aorta and the dude's bleeding out, can you take over?" Of course he can't - nor should he (or anyone on his staff) be expected to. Should we (the collective "we" as in "the government") have been watching BP closer all along? Probably - but you can only "watchdog" so much - how would anyone know they were unprepared for an accident of this magnitude? Do you think they'd tell us beforehand?
Where the ball is getting dropped is at the cleanup level. There's no reason that the Army Corp of Engineers is dragging it's feet on "issuing permits" to build berms or to do any other reasonable or unreasonable thing that may hold the oil back from the marshs. There's no reason for booms to be sitting out there, dripping with oil and unable to absorb any more. They should be gathered up, cleaned up and replaced immediately. Build a wall, suck it up, vacuum it off, whatever it takes, whatever any govenor, mayor, citizen, land owner, fisherman, wildlife expert is asking you to do so long as it is not detrimental. BP's got to take orders better. If the EPA says "Quit dispersing Chemical A," they need to STOP dispersing Chemical A - and if they don't, then they ought to be arrested for polluting the ocean even more than it's already been polluted - and any other crime that can be hung on them.
I was listening to James Carvelle last night - and yeah, he came down on Obama - but not as hard as everyone here is saying...he kept saying that he knows that if Obama only sees what's happening, he'll come to his senses. He (Carvelle) seems to think that Obama's just not getting the right information - and he may be right. Maybe Obama doesn't watch CNN or MSNBC or even FOX. Maybe he doesn't read The Wall Street Journal or The Washington Post or hang out at PatsFans. James is also confident that once Obama takes his tour tomorrow that everything's going to change.
I hope he's right. I really do.
I've always dreamed of living out my last years on the beach - feeding my beloved gulls, ducks and terns, watching the pelicans dive, chasing sand crabs and getting up at dawn every day to walk down and watch the dolphins pass by on their way to wherever it is dolphins go at daybreak. The thought that all those birds are unable to fly or feed themselves, all those dolphins are drowning and all those crabs are dying simply breaks my heart.
It can never be made right again, but maybe it can still be made less wrong.
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face or anything. You say you were kidding, cool. Now we know.
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