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Old 05-19-2010, 05:41 PM   #1
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DOJ Voting Rights attorney resigns over Black Panthers stonewalling | Washington Examiner

Why is the most open administration in our nation's history refusing to allow this attorney to testify before a bipartisian commision on voting rights?
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Old 05-19-2010, 07:31 PM   #2
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More information to this situation... he's fat and wears glasses also..

Justice Department Lawyer Behind New Black Panther Case Resigns | TPMMuckraker

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A Justice Department lawyer who was hired as part of a politicized process under the Bush administration, and who brought the controversial New Black Panther voter intimidation case, has resigned.

In a letter to DOJ Voting Rights chief Chris Herren, obtained by Main Justice, J. Christian Adams announced he'll step down next month, citing the controversy over the New Black Panther case.
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Good for him choosing principle over coverup of course the left will smear him it is their SOP.
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Good for him choosing principle over coverup of course the left will smear him it is their SOP.
Yea the right never smears anyone and always play by the rules, whatever they are... see Valerie Plame for example.
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Maybe he'll write a book.
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If they let me.
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I think this is the video of voter intimidation:

YouTube - "Security" patrols stationed at polling places in Philly

I'm not sure how intimidating it is, but of course, these are black men, which naturally makes some conservatives jump to conclusions. In addition, I suspect it's rather difficult to prosecute people who are standing around looking intimidating, since that's a judgment call. The police were right to tell these men to leave and the one with the billy club certainly deserved some kind of penalty, but in my opinion the exaggeration around this issue is mostly another example of racism on the part of the right wing. I don't think this video warrants a federal case.

It's good that Bush holdover resigned. We don't need people like him protecting civil rights.
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I think this is the video of voter intimidation:

YouTube - "Security" patrols stationed at polling places in Philly

I'm not sure how intimidating it is, but of course, these are black men, which naturally makes some conservatives jump to conclusions. In addition, I suspect it's rather difficult to prosecute people who are standing around looking intimidating, since that's a judgment call. The police were right to tell these men to leave and the one with the billy club certainly deserved some kind of penalty, but in my opinion the exaggeration around this issue is mostly another example of racism on the part of the right wing. I don't think this video warrants a federal case.

It's good that Bush holdover resigned. We don't need people like him protecting civil rights.
So on the one hand you admit there was intimidation but on the other, you say it's racist to complain about it.
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So on the one hand you admit there was intimidation but on the other, you say it's racist to complain about it.
I think the over the top reaction to this --the way some elements of the right wing continue to try to milk this story -- is racism; a normal level of concern is not racism in my opinion. This case happened over a year ago, and from the video it doesn't seem like there's a blatant violation. Is it illegal to carry a billy club? I don't know. But, the man standing there did not raise the club or threaten people as far as I can tell. It was certainly right to chase them away, and I hope that in conservative states that political people who have barely concealed or openly carry weapons are chased away as well.
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So on the one hand you admit there was intimidation but on the other, you say it's racist to complain about it.
I don't think he admits there was intimidation. It seems like Patters is pointing out that intimidation is in the eye of the beholder and saying that it certainly could have been viewed that way.

The thing I don't get is this: While I don't advocate people standing around with billy clubs, sticks, knives, etc., and I do, as a smallish type female, tend to find that sort of thing a bit threatening even if not intended - why isn't it considered at least equally open to interpetation as "intimidating" when people show up carrying large guns (or even small ones, for that matter) in public places?

If the whole point of carrying a billy club is thought to be one of intimidation tactics, would not carrying a gun also be considered the same? Both are weapons, both are used to hurt people and both are dangerous. And while both could be rationalized as being carried for "protection," so what? What does the person carrying around nothing have as "protection?"

It seems to me that if some people are allowed, by law, to carry around guns in plain sight that other people should be allowed to carry around clubs or knives for the same reason. The thought also enters my mind that it's possible they might need to be doing so.

Just askin.
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I don't think he admits there was intimidation. It seems like Patters is pointing out that intimidation is in the eye of the beholder and saying that it certainly could have been viewed that way.

The thing I don't get is this: While I don't advocate people standing around with billy clubs, sticks, knives, etc., and I do, as a smallish type female, tend to find that sort of thing a bit threatening even if not intended - why isn't it considered at least equally open to interpetation as "intimidating" when people show up carrying large guns (or even small ones, for that matter) in public places?
Because this is in front of a voting entrance. Voter intimidation.
Very third world.

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If the whole point of carrying a billy club is thought to be one of intimidation tactics, would not carrying a gun also be considered the same? Both are weapons, both are used to hurt people and both are dangerous. And while both could be rationalized as being carried for "protection," so what? What does the person carrying around nothing have as "protection?"
A guy in uniform holding a billy club who is wearing a uniform that is not a police officer, standing in front of a building that is holding the voting booths is not there to defend himself.
And before I go in step in it with you again, I will not ask that you show me an example of someone(white guy)with a gun standing in same as stated above. I will just say that I would consider it just as egregious.

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It seems to me that if some people are allowed, by law, to carry around guns in plain sight that other people should be allowed to carry around clubs or knives for the same reason. The thought also enters my mind that it's possible they might need to be doing so.

Just askin.
The idea coming out of your last paragraph screams out anarchy.
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