Harry Boy

What a disgraceful mess our Federal Government has allowed this "illegal alien" thing to become, GW Bush was right up front on supporting this invasion, the Liberal Do-Gooders should be proud of Bush on this one.

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The Associated Press: Immigrant crossings into Arizona on the rise

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reflexblue

In the past i've been an advocate of building a wall.of pulling tractor trailors at demonstrations and loading illegals in, then deporting them. But lately i think the only practical way is to make sure no one hires illegals, that takes away the incentive for them to come here.

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wistahpatsfan

I've said this many times...the time to do anything has passed because of the national idealogical polarity you describe. This could have-and should have- been taken care of on 9-12-01 when the government should have shut the ports and borders tight as a drum and worked from there. Our borders (on the south and especially the north!) should have been blocked by the military and the ports should have been secured to a much better degree than they were then. Who didn't think that should have happened then? I'll tell you. It was the corporations who were furiously pushing their "free market"/ NAFTA / Global Economy agenda. Nothing changed because the Wall Street boys had to keep their marketing strategies intact for the sake of the shareholders and at the neglect of national security...and Bush and Congress went along with it.

We can still secure the country but we won't because it will cost too much in the way of corporate profitability and consumer costs. We would have to deal with the cost of illegal immigration and anti-terrorist measures up front, but this way we pay more on the back end. Everyone thinks the illegals cost us a ton of money, while ignoring how they keep the cost of our lavish lifestyles down. It's incredible how no one sees the large picture across economic levels and time. It's amazing how people point to pilkes of clothes in a dsert path or the murder of a rancher in Arizona to make a point that Mexicans should be arrested and deported...as if the power elite in America could ever conceive of -or permit that to actually happen! LMFAO! Without illegals here, Motel 6 would cost $350 per night and an apple would cost $5. Who would frame all the McMansions in Scottsdale? Imagine the price of a greens fee? HORRID! Simply HORRID!

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Wolfpack

I know you like to blame everything on the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil corporations, but you've been smoking too much of your pot if you don't realize that the lion's share of blame on this issue belongs to the left. To prove this, you need look no further than Arizona's recent decision to enforce immigration laws. Who's making the biggest stink about this new law? Who's threatening and enacting boycott? Not the corporations, and certainly not any conservatives. Instead you have every single liberal in the country screaming bloody murder and doing everything they can to get the law overturned.

DarrylS

State issued papers include a birth certificate also.. that was previously discussed, there was a truckdriver detained after he showed a valid driver's license, ss card.. he was hispanic born in the US and did not have a Birth Certificate..

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DarrylS

[QUOTE=PatsSB42;1823386]Not sure that the status quo is "just fine", do not know what the answer is, but violating our constitution to justify an end, is not a good answer...

The last real answer that a president had, was Ronald Reagan when he gave everyone amnesty, that confused all the illegals as they believed they would get amnesty no matter what...

Bill Clinton did away with anyone who is illegal cannot receive any form or welfare.. which was a positive step..

Wistah pointed out we should have sealed our borders immediately after 9-11. since then we have developed a super agency and they do not have the capacity or resources to complete the task they are charged with.. we have spent 723 billion on Iraq, imagine if we had spent that money on securing our borders.. that would have made more sense.. probably would not have cost 4500+ lives..

Subsequent securing the border efforts have pandered to some knee jerk responses, electronic monitoring or some such nonsense.. and proved to be epic fail, all at great expense to the taxpayer..

Right now am in the middle, when we develop a consistent policy that exists in the framework of the constitution, then things will be clarified... do not know our explicit and implicit policy right now..

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chicowalker

That may very well be. But I have to think its language added a lot of fuel to the fire. (Even guys like Tancredo and Glenn Beck were saying it was bad -- when Tom Tancredo has a problem with a bill aimed to handle illegal immigrants, it's a pretty good sign there's something wrong with the bill.)

Re. your question, what do you mean by "papers"? If it's a drivers liecnse or other ID, no problem -- and I assume they already do that when you're arrested. If you mean a birth certificate, I do have a problem with that, because a birth certificate isn't necessarily the quickest thing to get a copy of, and many people don't have their originals. (I don't remember what I needed it for, but several years ago I needed a copy of my birth certificate, and it was a huge pain in the ass. Things may have changed, and it may vary by town (which in and of itself created a prlbem, if so), but I think I had to have my mother go the records department in my hometown to get it in a reasonable timeframe.)

PatsWSB47

[QUOTE=DarrylS;1823601]You make some valid points. the right makes some valid points but it's all so frustrating for me.

Analogy:

Hey your basketball is flat. you put it there and it needs to be fixed.

Answer: It's flat because there's a hole in it. and you put it there

Solution: Well lets make another hole to put more air in

Answer: you can't put another hole to let the air in, that's not a good answer. You're answer is wrong. It doesn't make sense but it's flat because there's a hole in it and you put it there.

Solution: Well we put another hole in it to let more air in

Answer: That's not a good answer. It's flat because there's a hole in it. What the matter with you? your answer isn't the right one.

Ok what's the right one?

Solution. It's flat because there's a hole in it and you put it there.

and on, and on and on

TBradyOwnsYou

I'm going to make assumptions about you, and I apologize if I get them wrong as I don't have a lot to go off of.
You appear to love the consititution. A lot. You seem to flaunt it like religious zealots do the bible. "THIS is truth and all that matters. Follow it and nothing bad can ever happen!!"
I'm going to go ahead and argue that the constitution is crap.
Woah. Weird to hear I know. Who says that? Especially when they volunteered their life to defend it against all enemies foriegn and domestic.
Well, I'll clarify a bit. It's not technically crap. However it's infallible status is.
Just because some dudes got together a while back and wrote some stuff down, does NOT mean it's the end-all, be-all of life itself! Just like the bible, it's got inconsistancies and contradictions.
Let's start with with freedom of speech. It's a pretty good one, and pretty important too in my opinion.
I think you would agree with that. However, let's look at the example of the Westboro Baptist Church. These scuzz of the earth toolbags protest at soldiers funerals saying things like "god hates fags" or "god loves IEDs" and other such hatred. (They also protest other funerals with similiarly heinious slogans.) Ok. So they have freedom of speech so they can say whatever they want. Well what about MY rights? Don't I have the right to not have to listen to this garbage while burying someone who died serving this country? You want to say these things on tv, I can change the channel. Say it on the radio? I can change the station. You want to say it in the public park? I can go somewhere else that day. But when YOU come to ME it becomes my choice if I want to stay and bury the dead, or leave to avoid listening to ignorant hate speech. I essentially become a captive audience bound by the "constitution" to listen to this hatred. How about my freedom to NOT hear hate speech? How about my freedom to go about my life without others harassing me? How about my freedom to live my life the way I want? Too bad, it's trumped by their right because some dudes wrote it on paper long ago. Well son of a B!
(I am avoiding making the freedom of religion arguement because it's a poor arguement and also means one must rely on a piece of paper with words on it to be able to know how to live life correctly. I am also leaving out that congress has made laws to make it so while the protesters can no longer be within 1000 feet or whatever, it's still disruptive, hateful, pointless, and wrong.)
Anywho, that's my rant. It's mostly because you love to point out the deaths and cost of Iraq which bothers me.