khayos

The opposite of what is happening now -- independents and many "righties" grew tired of the direction the administration and Congress was taking and that attitude was reflected in the election cycles. Subsequently, the "right" was discouraged and was blaming the leadership for their failure. To say "no one was complaining when..." is in direct contradiction to what happened.

JackBauer

Huh?

There really is no comparison. You'll have to explain to me how majority/plurality support (depending on which metrics you accept) is in any way equivalent to the small rump of Republican dead-enders who supported Bush down the very end.

And you're right, Obama has broken some campaign promises. Those who have a realistic view on the office of the Presidency recognize this as inevitable as the candidate transitions from the campaign to public office and thus has to deal with the realities of governing rather than the idealistic promises of campaigning. I'm sure you'll respond to this with your trite and meaningless "spin, spin, spin" so do me a favor and save it, if you have nothing of substance to say in response.

Because he broke a promise and is following the Bush/Cheney mold with respect to a no-bid contract does not change the fact that Obama has been a drastic improvement to his predecessor. I realize you have an agenda to tear Obama down to make Bush look less terrible by comparison, but frankly it's pretty thin gruel.

chicowalker

Independents are very different from Republicans.

I have no doubt that those Independents who at one point had voted for Bush and other Republicans were disenchanted. But they aren't who I was referring to.

I'm referring to actual Republicans -- most of whom didn't turn on Bush and the rest until very late in his administration, if they did at all.

Dems and Independents are completely justified in pointing out Obama's broken promises. Republicans can of course do so, too, and are just as accurate in doing so, but they will sure seem to have short memories given their staunch defense of Bush for so many years, despite his many broken promises from the start.

patsfan13

You are confusing Pubbies with conservatives, most of who supported Bush and the pubbies foreign policy and rejected their reckless spending.

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chicowalker

Very few conservatives / Republicans rejected Bush's reckless spending. Whatever they chose to call themselves, most were right in lockstep with him until the last year or 2. (For example, how much did you hear about Tea Parties during his 8 years?)

Claiming otherwise is revisionist history, imo.

patsfan13

I can't account for you lack of knowledge of what Conservatives beleive. On this board Bush and the republican congress were ripped for No Child Left Behind, The Medicare Prescription Drug benefit, Bush's lack of vetoes of spending bills, Republican earmarks, the first Stimulus (the tax rebate) and TARP.


You weren't here of course, but this carried over to the blogsphere and conservative talk radio, sorry you are just wrong.


Bush and the pubbies as brain dead as they are, are still better than the train wreck of Reid, Pelosi and now Obama.

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Real World

Just face it Jack, Obama is your typical bum politician. He's not "change we can believe in" or a "different kind of politics". In many ways, nothing has changed. It's business as usual in DC, with only the names & numbers on the checks being different. You voted for Obama, and you don't like to hear this, or maybe you're still wearing your blinders, and you disagree. Hey, the guy won the election, and he's leading as he sees fit. That's his perogative. That's the same exact thing the last guy did.

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khayos

You didn't hear about the tea parties because conservatives were "lost in the wilderness"... remember all that talk from 2006 to 2008? The tea partiers are the group that broke and all I keep hearing is how they're hardcore conservatives... now they're independents? So confused.

chicowalker

I wasn't here, and maybe you're the exception. (is it possible to access threads from more than 3 years ago?)

but I do think you're the exception. Republicans and conservatives both talk a lot about cutting spending, small govt, etc., but they're mostly full of *****

chicowalker

Who said they were independents?