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wistahpatsfan · 05-05-2010, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

If you are correct, no Creator, where do our rights come from?

From the state?

Why do we have inalienable rights?

"Hey, how exactly is a rainbow made?...How exactly does the sun set?...How exactly does the posi-trac rear end on a Plymouth work?"
"It just does....It just does."

khayos · 05-05-2010, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by apple strudel

No it is not and it's not even close.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence. He did not sign Constitution nor was part of the Constitution Convention. To say he was an important voice is an understatement but he had no hand in document which became our government. He also had several contemporaries who disagreed with his sentiment. You point to a lone voice, albeit a powerful one, amongst a crowd of thinkers who do not agree. Check John Adams or John Jay.

***patsfan13*** · 05-05-2010, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by apple strudel

Ha ha. Learn some history. Treaty of Tripoli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Edit: and even though it's obvious, you really left out the possibility that our rights derive from ... ourselves! Not the state, not a phony God, but we decide what rights we have. Shocking concept, I know.

Who mentioned Christian religion?

I used the word Jefferson used, ie Creator.

Jefferson worte the Declatration if Independence...

khayos · 05-05-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by wistahpatsfan

"Hey, how exactly is a rainbow made?...How exactly does the sun set?...How exactly does the posi-trac rear end on a Plymouth work?"
"It just does....It just does."

Yeah, if it weren't for those pesky churches we'd be so much better off.

EDIT: you know the father of genetics was a monk right?

***apple strudel*** · 05-05-2010, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by khayos

Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence. He did not sign Constitution nor was part of the Constitution Convention. To say he was an important voice is an understatement but he had no hand in document which became our government. He also had several contemporaries who disagreed with his sentiment. You point to a lone voice, albeit a powerful one, amongst a crowd of thinkers who do not agree. Check John Adams or John Jay.

Nowhere in the constitution do the words God, Christianity, or Jesus appear. I wonder why?

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The nature of the new common law was at first much influenced by the principles of Roman law, but later it developed more and more along independent lines.

This from the Encyclopedia Brittanica. Little-Known U.S. Document Proclaims America's Government is Secular - The Early America Review, Summer 1997

khayos · 05-05-2010, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by apple strudel

Nowhere in the constitution do the words God, Christianity, or Jesus appear. I wonder why? This from the Encyclopedia Brittanica. Little-Known U.S. Document Proclaims America's Government is Secular - The Early America Review, Summer 1997

Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names.

wistahpatsfan · 05-05-2010, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by khayos

You know what I'll cite first, not going there.

Well, I was kinda half-joking, but while we're at it, go ahead! What were you going to cite as a "proof"? Now I'm interested!

wistahpatsfan · 05-05-2010, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by khayos

Yeah, if it weren't for those pesky churches we'd be so much better off.

EDIT: you know the father of genetics was a monk right?

Yes, I know. What's your point? I mean, that's relevant to today. What does that have to do with Isaac Newton, Galileo, and Einstien? You're seriously going to back up the case that law comes from religion and argue against the evolution of society from a religious one to a scientific one with the example of a monk who became a scientist? Seriously? What about all the other scientists who weren't monks?

khayos · 05-05-2010, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by wistahpatsfan

Yes, I know. What's your point? I mean, that's relevant to today. What does that have to do with Isaac Newton, Galileo, and Einstien? You're seriously going to back up the case that law comes from religion and argue against the evolution of society from a religious one to a scientific one with the example of a monk who became a scientist? Seriously? What about all the other scientists who weren't monks?

They were deeply invested in religion. Every single one.

***Leave No Doubt*** · 05-05-2010, 09:20 AM

Are we talking about Diane Wood from Chicago? Didn't see a name mentioned anywhere but then again I didn't read every post or article. Must be her; according to the National Journal she's being talked about for, among other things, possibly stripping the phrase "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance. She and Obama knew eachother back at Chitown Law School.