Tebow superbowl add draws fire from the so called Pro-Choice crowd ! - Page 4 - New England Patriots Forums

State · 01-31-2010, 11:32 AM

The pro-life is winning the hearts and minds of Americans; it's not the 1970s anymore.

I even came across this on the draft sub-forum here:

King: Tebow a good fit for the Pats?

lostjumper · 01-31-2010, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Teenuh

Ads like this don't belong at the superbowl, I don't care what side you're on. No one wants to preached at while they're watching the game.

But if you're going to allow ads like this then you need to be fair to everyone and not just allow the ones you agree with, like CBS did.

CBS is fine with Tebow's pro-life ad, but rejects gay dating ad - Shutdown Corner - NFL Blog - Yahoo! Sports

Apparently, the people at CBS are total hypocrites and liars. And I recall Jesus having a negative opinion of both.

Umm, you seem to not know much about Jesus, as he also said it would be better to tie a millstone around your neck and be cast into the sea than harm a child...

I'm having trouble seeing what the issue is. The ad does not state that abortion is wrong. It says, "Hey, I was told to terminate my pregnancy and instead I kept the baby and look at what my son is doing now'. Why would you find that offensive? Would you find it offensive if a mother had an operation at 20 weeks to save her baby's life? I don't get the hypocrisy.

A bit off topic, but Americans have aborted over 50 million babies now. We may have aborted babies who would grow up to discover the cure for cancer, or aids. Oh, and you know how all those baby boomers are retiring and there aren't enough younger generations to pay for your social security and medicare? A work force of 50 million for people would make a big difference...

cupofjoe1962 · 01-31-2010, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Teenuh

The difference is that I'm not a Christian. And the "child" thing can be debated but I don't want to take this thread down that path. Lets stick to the topic please. Anyway, the people who claim to be Christians are the ones who should live their life according to everything he says, not just the things they agree with.

Which is something most Christians don't seem to comprehend. I often see them arguing against abortion but many of these same people also support the death penalty and war. Now THAT is hypocrisy.

Maybe you should take a look at the hypocrisy of the pro-choice crowd !
The same people who don't want to hear about the celebration of life
are against the death penalty for murders.

How can you call yourself pro-choice when you are only in favor of one
option "abortion". If they were pro-choice they would not have a problem
with a commercial on the celebration of life.

Talk about hypocrisy.

***Wolfpack*** · 02-01-2010, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Teenuh

Because its too preachy. I just think we need to keep that kind of stuff away from the superbowl. I just want to watch the game, not listen to a sermon.

The hypocrisy I was refering to was directed at CBS. If they are going to allow Tim's ad, then they should allow the gay dating ad as well. If you're going to allow this stuff, then everyone should be have the same chance to support their cause. Otherwise, its hypocritical bs.

From what I have read on this matter, CBS has legitimate concerns regarding the gay website's ability to actually make good with the $2.5 million. Believe me, I am not one to defend the network that knowingly presented forged document accusing GW Bush of going AWOL, but in this case I can't really condemn them.

By the way, have you actually seen the Tebow ad? If so, where? Or are you calling it "too preachy" because that is what you are being told by others?

***DarrylS*** · 02-01-2010, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Teenuh

Celebration of life, that's funny.

Well if you ask the pro-choice people that are against the death penalty, you'll notice that most of them aren't constantly throwing it in your face like the pro-life people do with abortion. And your theory doesn't even apply to me. I support abortion, the death penalty and even war in the right situations. I live in the REAL world, not the perfect little fantasy world that others want to live in and I understand that sometimes difficult choices must be made. The problem with many on the pro-life and, yes, even the pro-choice side, is that you guys can only think in terms of black and white. Everything is always so simple to you but in reality, things just aren't that simple.

Many refer to the pro life as an exclusive pro birth argument, as it is situational when you defend the death penalty, collateral damage in wars...etc. There is a lack of consistency and it is a misnomer...

***Wolfpack*** · 02-01-2010, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Teenuh

I doubt that its the real problem at all but its a nice way to cover their ass over the discrimination accusations.

That was my first impression too, but then I saw how ultra-low-budget the ad was, from an apparently ultra-low-budget website, that it really seems quite likely that they don't have 2 pennies to rub together, let alone $2.5 million.

And let's be honest with each other here. The gay website is getting exactly what they want. They got to have everyone talking about them, and with the added bonus of not having to actually spend the money.

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Originally Posted by Teenuh

Let me ask you this, if the situation were reversed and it was the Tebow ad that was turned down, would you still have the same opinion or are you letting your own personal views cloud your judgement?

My original statement on this matter was the CBS should accept the gay website's ad because their money is just as green as anyone else's. But now that it turns out their money is not as green as anyone else's, I don't blame them for rejecting it.

I have no problem with TV stations pursuing other revenue streams now that we see fewer dollars coming from, say, banks, car companies or investment firms.

By the way, am I the only one who saw countless Coakley v. Brown ads on TV all throughout the past month or so? I mean, even during football games? I don't think political speech is as new to football as some people seem to think it is. It is just usually restricted to the local market, not the national one.

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Originally Posted by Teenuh

Keep in mind that this isn't the first time CBS has been accused of discrimination against gays. Yes, I've seen the ad and it does fall into the "preachy" category.

Where have you seen the ad? And what, specifically, did you consider to be "too preachy"?

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Originally Posted by Teenuh

I couldn't care less about Tim's personal views, I just want to watch the game. He needs to learn from Kurt Warner.

Kurt was a Christian who didn't feel the need to constantly throw his beliefs in our faces and that was one of the many (and there are many reasons to like Warner) why he was liked and respected by most people. As you can see, Tim is doing nothing but annoying people.

That may be true in the closed-minded circles you run in, but it isn't true amongst the rest of us. He is also inspiring many, many people. I think his family's story is an absolutely wonderful one and I hope he shares it with as many people as he possibly can.

cupofjoe1962 · 02-01-2010, 05:28 PM

Today I heard a lot of talk on the radio about the Tebow add.

I am starting to have a feeling that CBS will fold and pull the add so
not to offend the pro-abortion crowd.

I have decided that if they pull the add, I will DVR the game and watch
it a couple hours later. I will then be able to fast forward through all of the
other adds.

If you don't want to watch the Tebow add - you could always pause
your screen (if you have Tivo or DVR) and them fast forward through it
when it is over.

If you do not have Tivo or DVR you could always leave the room or
change the channel when it airs.

***patsfan13*** · 02-01-2010, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DarrylS

Many refer to the pro life as an exclusive pro birth argument, as it is situational when you defend the death penalty, collateral damage in wars...etc. There is a lack of consistency and it is a misnomer...

There is no lack of consistency. Most sensible people can easily differentiate between murderers like Ted Bundy, A Hitler, KSM or OBL who would earn a death penalty and an innocent child guilty of nothing but being alive, being murdered in the womb.

cupofjoe1962 · 02-01-2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Teenuh

Its funny that you say something like that. That is the same thing I tell all of the religious fanatics that complain or want to boycott books (harry potter) and movies (avatar) when they get offended by them. If you don't like it, you don't have to buy the book or movie. And if a movie or book has a message that I personally find offensive, I can choose not to buy it as well.

Now the difference is that we watch the superbowl for football, not political garbage. We shouldn't have to get up and leave the room just because some self-righteous twit feels the need to push his beliefs on us. Just my opinion on the matter.

When I started this thread it was more about the groups against the add
calling themself pro-choice than the add itself.

They are not about choice !
They only want to hear about one option !

I am not out to overturn Roe V Wade.
If a women wants to have an abortion, I am not going to stand in her way.
I believe in parental consent.
I also do not believe federal money should pay for abortions.

I don't agree with everything the Tebow's do.
I respect their missionary work, but I am no fan of homeschooling !
What they may gain in academics, they lose in people skills.

***patsfan13*** · 02-01-2010, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Teenuh

Its funny that you say something like that. That is the same thing I tell all of the religious fanatics that complain or want to boycott books (harry potter) and movies (avatar) when they get offended by them. If you don't like it, you don't have to buy the book or movie. And if a movie or book has a message that I personally find offensive, I can choose not to buy it as well.

Now the difference is that we watch the superbowl for football, not political garbage. We shouldn't have to get up and leave the room just because some self-righteous twit feels the need to push his beliefs on us. Just my opinion on the matter.

Funny you want to define when people get to give their POV to suit what you deem appropriate .