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[pats-blue]

Originally Posted by Pujo

Here's the type of thing I'm talking about: http://www.nbc4.tv/news/7623880/detail.html

I know this one's recent and so it's way post-OJ, but it's still fresh in my mind and didn't take much digging to find. Believe me, if I was fighting a court case against the LAPD I'd spend all the time in the world gathering proof. But I'm not going to spend my time going through old news articles trying to convince you of something that very few people would even bother contesting because it's common knowledge.

Here are a couple more examples in case you still have doubts:
-Police officers Sgt. Brian Liddy, Sgt. Edward Ortiz and Officer Michael Buchanan convicted of conspiracy and other crimes involving the framing of gang members in 1996. It was the first trial stemming from allegations of corruption at the Department’s Rampart station. In light of the allegations, more than 100 criminal convictions have been dismissed.
-Officer Nino Floyd Durden admitted to perjury, filing a false report, grand theft from drug dealers, and conspiracy to obstruct justice in the shooting of an unarmed gang member, who remains paralyzed. Durden once partnered with Rafael Perez, who told investigators last year that he and other officers beat, framed and robbed people in rough neighborhoods west of downtown.

Gee, I didn't have to try very hard to shoot down your obvious bias "proof". You obviously do not know the actual outcome of the Rampart Investigation which concluded thier was not widespread "corruption". Perez in fact initially told investigators that Liddy was a good cop but much later remembered how he "framed" gang members. Do you know anything about the case. His "purjury" or "false statements" centered around the fact the suspect was charged with Agg Assault and the GBI (great bodily injury) box was checked and while the officers received treatment for injuries at the hospital the "jury" said that they didn't seem that injured. Which by the way was not needed for the charge of Agg. Perez stated that they weren't hit by the truck and therefore "made up" the charge. In fact getting hit by the truck doesn't make a difference to the charge, it is Agg just for driving it at the officers. This simplifys the case but it was much more in depth and an obvious railroad effort. The simple fact is he was NOT convicted of the crimes you stated, the judge immediately overturned the vertict the same day as she recognized it was a miscarriage of justice.

I explained the Rampart Investigation but you only want to remember what you intitially heard.

By the way ALL of the cops except Durden you mention were cleared and got 15 MILLION DOLLARS from the city last month for FALSE ARREST AND MALICIOUS PROSECUTION. HHHHMMM, again now you only have Perez and his parnters that worked for Death Row records...out of 7,500+ cops in LAPD......you said you didn't have to look hard, well maybe you should look harder for actual cases that prove your point. RAMPART DID NOT PROVE RAMPANT CORRUPTION, the investigation was based on Perez given a list of officers and him pointing out "bad cops"....no one was put away on his word in the end, in fact some officers as of this Feb are rich because of the over zelousness of the "public" to find "corruption" believing it was more wide spread because they wanted to. You should read the whole article, not just the parts that support your obvious bias. Over 750,000 cops in the nation, 7,500+ of them in LAPD and you are labeling the entire LAPD corrupt over three cops that were actually dirty. The hiestaria of the media and the liberals made a mockery out of the Rampart investigation. They paid MILLIONS to criminals because Perez fingered "bad cops" and thier testemony became bad so LA paid out lawsuits without trials on the word of Criminal who got caught. It is now coasting them MILLIONS more because now the FALSELY ACCUSSED COPS are getting thier money. By the way here is the link.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...nes-california

[pats-blue]

I don't know were your hatred of cops comes from Pujo, and I say hatred because you seem to have blinders on that you "want" to see cops "fall". There are bad cops, yep sure are. They are human, they make mistakes, they have faults that no "test" can see. Thier "cop out excuse" that they see all this bad stuff is actually real for those that either see too much for thier minds to handle, some might betray the public trust by doing something criminal, some actually kill themselves. You have no idea what the job really entails. I could go into it but the truth is until you have stood there in uniform you will never know what it is like. There are bad cops like I said andthier are people who are cops IMO that shouldn't be because they really aren't good at the job, but they will always get the benefit of the doubt from me because they are brave enough to put on the uniform and go out there and try with all that is against them (going to calls with little or bad information, dangerous criminals, policies that have become so restrictive that if followed completely the only way to arrest someone would be to throw your cuffs at them...I mean toward them and ask them if they would place themselves under arrest, and gee public "ridicule" by people blanketing ALL cops with the actions of just a very few(including the media)) A cop dies in the line of duty about every two days...hopefully it is just the "corrupt" ones huh?

[Pujo]

Originally Posted by pats-blue

I don't know were your hatred of cops comes from Pujo, and I say hatred because you seem to have blinders on that you "want" to see cops "fall". There are bad cops, yep sure are. They are human, they make mistakes, they have faults that no "test" can see. Thier "cop out excuse" that they see all this bad stuff is actually real for those that either see too much for thier minds to handle, some might betray the public trust by doing something criminal, some actually kill themselves. You have no idea what the job really entails. I could go into it but the truth is until you have stood there in uniform you will never know what it is like. There are bad cops like I said andthier are people who are cops IMO that shouldn't be because they really aren't good at the job, but they will always get the benefit of the doubt from me because they are brave enough to put on the uniform and go out there and try with all that is against them (going to calls with little or bad information, dangerous criminals, policies that have become so restrictive that if followed completely the only way to arrest someone would be to throw your cuffs at them...I mean toward them and ask them if they would place themselves under arrest, and gee public "ridicule" by people blanketing ALL cops with the actions of just a very few(including the media)) A cop dies in the line of duty about every two days...hopefully it is just the "corrupt" ones huh?

Good god, man, I'm talking about the LAPD, which is one police organization.Didn't I actually make the point that I'm not extrapolating this to all cops? I did.

[pats-blue]

Originally Posted by Pujo

Good god, man, I'm talking about the LAPD, which is one police organization.Didn't I actually make the point that I'm not extrapolating this to all cops? I did.

Well what about the LAPD? I pointed out the flaw in your arguement. I guess I made the reach when you made such broad reaching statments regarding the LAPD and received no response when I pointed out the "so called" "corruption" was never proven and in fact is now costing LA millions more since they were so driven to "find" corruption they pursecuted INNOCENT cops. So AGAIN where is the "corruption" that is the entire LAPD? Still waiting....

[Pujo]

Originally Posted by pats-blue

Well what about the LAPD? I pointed out the flaw in your arguement. I guess I made the reach when you made such broad reaching statments regarding the LAPD and received no response when I pointed out the "so called" "corruption" was never proven and in fact is now costing LA millions more since they were so driven to "find" corruption they pursecuted INNOCENT cops. So AGAIN where is the "corruption" that is the entire LAPD? Still waiting....

If you want to stick your head in the sand, fine. I made it plenty clear that my argument doesn't revolve around these cases, and these happened to be the first two that came up when I googled "LAPD corruption". I've followed the news closely enough during my 17 years in this country to remember hearing example after example of this sort of thing going on in LA, and have several friends from that area. Just because a crime isn't prosecuted doesn't mean it doesn't happen, and with the wall of silence that cops put up, I'm surprised this many cases have been brought to light at all.

And you're right, there are good cops and bad cops in the LAPD and everywhere else. Do I think that at least 50% of them are crooks? Probably not. But even if 10% of a police force is crooked, that's a very damning thing.

[pats-blue]

Originally Posted by Pujo

If you want to stick your head in the sand, fine. I made it plenty clear that my argument doesn't revolve around these cases, and these happened to be the first two that came up when I googled "LAPD corruption". I've followed the news closely enough during my 17 years in this country to remember hearing example after example of this sort of thing going on in LA, and have several friends from that area. Just because a crime isn't prosecuted doesn't mean it doesn't happen, and with the wall of silence that cops put up, I'm surprised this many cases have been brought to light at all.

And you're right, there are good cops and bad cops in the LAPD and everywhere else. Do I think that at least 50% of them are crooks? Probably not. But even if 10% of a police force is crooked, that's a very damning thing.

Do you realize it is a defense attorney tactic to immediately file a excessive force complaint if a defendant is charged with resisting arrest? My head isn't in the sand thank you very much. I have FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE not what I read in the media...wow great sources. They stick a microphone in front of anyone that will scream the words Racial or Corruption and print it immediatly without any real investigation and print it as facts. I myself have many medals for lifesaving and "heroic" acts yet only one of them was mentioned in the media on page six in a 2 X 3 space and I am by far in away not the most decorated cop. See you prove your bigotry towards cops when you talk about the "wall of silence" and your "friends" and "this type of thing going on in LA"...nice sources I guess everyone is presumed innocent except for cops right? 10%??? Yeah that would be a daming thing if you could even find 1%, but you can't. Funny how the "first two that came up when you googled LAPD corruption" turn out to be cases that you need to take your head out of the sand and maybe rethink that your position isn't reality but the fact that people don't like "authority" and love to see cops fall because of the "position of authority" so it becomes a media frenzy even if all the facts aren't in. When these cops are proven innocent it is lucky to even make the 6th page. I refuted your "proof" of corruption" and you come back with "I have heard" and "I have friends in LA" wow it is tought to dispute "proof" of corruption like that.

See it is this type of broad brush labeling and the ignorance that does at times make me wonder why I risk my life for people I don't even know.

[Pujo]

Originally Posted by pats-blue

See it is this type of broad brush labeling and the ignorance that does at times make me wonder why I risk my life for people I don't even know.

Don't give me that crap, if you don't know why you do it, go become a truck driver or do something else. I'm sure you're a fine cop, and the people of your city are probably lucky to have you, but stop making yourself a victim.

[pats-blue]

Originally Posted by Pujo

Don't give me that crap, if you don't know why you do it, go become a truck driver or do something else. I'm sure you're a fine cop, and the people of your city are probably lucky to have you, but stop making yourself a victim.

"Victim"?? Your unbelievable. You have nothing to support your argument but feel you can just blanket hard working people that risk thier lives with daming statments and it is all OK? I know why I do it thank you, but if you don't think it takes a little extra to run into a burning building with no equipment like a firefighter or towards gun shots or just the unknown situation your more ignorant than I thought. You have nothing so you result to insults, I would expect nothing less from someone who blankets the LAPD with corruption from a google search he never even took the time to read...oh thats right you have "friends in the area also".

[Pujo]

Originally Posted by pats-blue

"Victim"?? Your unbelievable. You have nothing to support your argument but feel you can just blanket hard working people that risk thier lives with daming statments and it is all OK? I know why I do it thank you, but if you don't think it takes a little extra to run into a burning building with no equipment like a firefighter or towards gun shots or just the unknown situation your more ignorant than I thought. You have nothing so you result to insults, I would expect nothing less from someone who blankets the LAPD with corruption from a google search he never even took the time to read...oh thats right you have "friends in the area also".

Yeah, the LAPD are saints and everyone has it in for them, more than the other police departments.

That whole departments needs to be dumped into the ocean with all the other sewage.

[Turd Furguson]

Originally Posted by Pujo

Yeah, the LAPD are saints and everyone has it in for them, more than the other police departments.

That whole departments needs to be dumped into the ocean with all the other sewage.

I just love the rational thought of our resident lefties.


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