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Tricare .... What a mess ... Motrin for everybody!

mgcolby

No *****! I blew out a disc in my back and the PA gave me a prescription for 800 mg of motrin and stated I pulled a muscle. I was 21 in perfect shape, it took all I had to walk without my knees buckling and she thought I had a pulled muscle. That sums up the Tricare and the military medical service.

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BlueTalon

I had a blown ACL, and the Army doctor I saw about knee pain gave me Motrin (800mg) and 10 days of no running. On the third visit for knee pain, he concluded that it wasn't getting better, so he sent me to see a physical therapist. It took the therapist all of 5 minutes to correctly diagnose the ACL tear. Then, a year and a half later, I finally got the surgery.

If that isn't the closest thing to socialized medicine in this country...


Now, it must be said that there are some very good doctors in the military. The problem is that it's really hit-or-miss with them, and there is no way to shop around.

BlueTalon

If every engineer at Ford had to pay $50K+ per year for maldisign insurance, can you imagine what the cost of Ford cars would be? (It would be a lot higher, for those who don't get what I'm saying.)

Getting the legal industry out of the medical industry is a great first step toward reducing medical costs. (While we're at it, let's start making lawyers liable for their actions. If a lawyer is involved in a lawsuit that is deamed frivolous, let that lawyer pay the damages, a fine, and the court costs. Then there'd be less frivolous lawsuits.)

wistahpatsfan

OK...we can't kill them, but can't we just remove the part of their brain that makes most of them evil, selfish, anti-social ghouls? There's gotta be something in the Patriot Act that will allow it for national security.

Insurance companies and the legal "profession" have conspired together to produce a death grip on the American health care system. We can talk about it all we want. Bill & Hill talked about it, but neither one of them, especially Bill, thought it would work politically or in opposition to those two groups. Their friends who are part of the problem probably told him to go ahead because it would make him look like he gave a shyte about the poor and middle class- score a few points. Anyone who blames the democrats or republicans exclusively is full of crap. As usual, they're both in on it.

All_Around_Brown

The right always calls for tort reform to bring down health care costs. This is disingenuous.

Increased tort costs over the past several decades can be almost completely linked to asbestosis lawsuits, a fact I've been harping on for quite some time, and one that was verified in a 2004 study.
http://www.towersperrin.com/tillingh..._2004/Tort.pdf

Also, see http://www.factcheck.org/article320.html

The cover-up of asbestosis related injuries (and consequently their effective liability settlements) has been ongoing for a long time. If anyone knows people with mesothelioma, you'll know how serious the disease is. Many people who have worked for the defense department - at the local Navy Yard, for example- have been developing the disease as a result of pipe fitting and insulating twenty plus years ago. The onset of the disease progresses very slowly, making cause-effect relationship between the materials used and the disease difficult to diagnose.

This condition is the result of exposure to products manufactured, for example by Dresser Industries, and other asbestos companies, who for years have buried their findings about the hazards of the materials they were selling to the DoD and other huge construction contractors. http://www.asbestosresource.com/history/


Now, I would be amiss if I didn't tie this back to my critique of the Bush administration, so here goes. Want to know why our friends at Halliburton got the no bid contract in Iraq? Cheneys poor business decisions while at Halliburton absorbed Dressers asbestos liabilities, and Cheney's company took a huge hit when he slithered off to the White House. The only way for him to save the company from enormous losses as a result of his bad decision was to 1) boost Halliburtons cash flow (what better way than to assign them to rebuild what you've destroyed, and build a few new bases in babylon while you're at it) and 2) start a tort reform campaign to prevent those rising asbestosis class action lawsuits against Halliburton from ever seeing the light of day. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Jan10.html

So, no I'm not convinced that all lawyers are bad. Some are actually trying to compensate victims, many of whom have worked their entire careers for the department of defense as submarine pipefitters and such, only to be screwed by the military-industrial complex and greedy shameless corporatists like Prick Cheney.

Do your homework once in awhile instead of just accepting what the corporate spin machine tells you.

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PatsFanInEaglesLand

How did I figure AAB's beliefs would be lock step with the trial lawyers.

Spin my mfing ass!

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=18270

"Medical malpractice liability--"the 'tort tax' on doctors and hospitals, whose costs constitute the majority of health expenses," as it is described in the report--has grown much faster than overall health care inflation, according to 2004 data from the global management corporation Tillinghast-Towers Perrin. Medical malpractice liability alone constitutes more than 10 percent of the U.S. tort tax, which by 2003 represented more than $3,300 for the average family of four, according to Tillinghast-Towers Perrin."

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...53/ai_76915714

It is your kind, that raises healthcare rates

How many other liberal special interests do you want to defend?

BlueTalon

The topic of this thread is health care. But since you made an argument concerning tort reform, let me take this opportunity to say that you have completely divorced yourself from reality. The insanely high costs of malpractice insurance aren't the result of huge numbers of incompetent doctors, they're the result of a ton of lawsuits. You need look no further than your most recent VP candidate for an egregious example of this phenomenon. If you don't remember, he channeled a baby (an unborn one) as part of his arguments in one case.

The costs of legal lunacy are as widely spread throughout our economy as the costs of oil.

All_Around_Brown

so the asbestos liability argument is not good enough for you? Then you are divorced from reality. Read up on it.

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All_Around_Brown

good show shill. The first link you provide is junk science at its finest. Look no further than the "Michael Crichton Is Right" sponsorship on the left to prove my point.

You have spun my argument so distortedly, you obviously have no respect for people affected by mesothelioma like those I have met that have worked their lives at our Navy Yard.

I would have read your second link, but I couldn't get by the malarchy of the first. Let me ask you, do you think Michael Crichton is right? If so, you are dumber than I thought.

OK I read it. and whats your point in providing that?

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