Patters

I think you raise an important issue. We all agree that our problems come mostly from adults, not kids. The problem is, once a person reaches adulthood, we have no expectations from them other than to stay within the law. Maybe there should be mandatory parenting programs in order to get free health care. I think a lot of the poor who people like you object to are terribly ignorant of how to conduct themselves in society and even within their family. If we could get these people into programs where they learned what most of us already take for granted, it might be a small step in the right direction. Adult ed, in other words, may be a key part of the solution that is talked about too seldom.

mgcolby

The problem with free health care is on display in the US military. They don't get or atleast keep the best doctors because the doctors can make a lot more money in the civilian world. I am not saying that all the military doctors are bad doctors but they do loose the majority of their best. So you get health care not quite up to par with the civilian world and then to top it off you rarely see a doctor when you go to the clinic or hospital, it is usually a Physicians assistant.

You also have the availibility issue, it takes up to a month in many cases to get an appointment. Because people go to the doctor for any little problem, then combine that with the lack of resources and the retirees and you have a serious supply vs demand problem. Now that I am a civilian my wife can be seen on the same day she makes the appointment if neccassary. That would never happen in the military unless she went to the ER or the acute clinic care which is usually full of sick people. So it can take hours to be seen. Hell it got to the point where sick call is by appointment.

Health care is obviously a problem and something needs to be done, but free healthcare is not the way to go. The poor have medicaid and if they don't that is their own fault for not going down to the welfare office and signing up. The folks who choose not to work or who work under the table made that choice willingly, regardless of your skill set McDonald's is always hiring and they have benefits.

The people I feel most for are the working class that are just above poverty and just below the affordibility level and even them my sympathy for them is very limited because they can help themselves by going to school of some sort that will give them training which would lead to better career opportunities.

If you really want to help out alot of the uninsured working class then you should support the small business health plan initiative. It allows small businesses to group together nationwide to increase their group size giving them the same rates as major corporations and possibly even better rates. But the Senate doesn't think it such a hot idea. Here is where it stands today!

109th Congress
House Passage -- July 26, 2005
The House of Representatives passed H.R. 525 263-165, a strong bipartisan vote for affordable health-care for small businesses and working families. This vote marks the eighth time that the House has passed SBHPs, though the bill has yet to gain Senate approval.

So now you can see how big of an issue this truly is to the Senate.

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BlueTalon

The quest for understanding is not advanced when you speak in bumper stickers and make silly accusations. I don't buy right wing myths any more than you buy left wing myths.

And I'll take our health care system over France's any day.

BlueTalon

Oh, AMEN!!!

When I want to scare people as we're waiting in the Air Force clinic, I tell people to thank God that Hillary didn't get her way a decade or so ago, because if she did, the entire nation's health care system would look like Tricare (the military system, for those who don't know what Tricare is). That usually gets a cringe or a long, slowly exhaled "whew".

All_Around_Brown

For millions of uninsured, I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest they would probably rather have Tricare than Nocare. Instead, these people end up abusing the emergency room system and hospitals take it on the chin.

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BlueTalon

Just for the record here (I've said this elsewhere), I'm not against making changes in our health care system. It needs some changes. But the type of changes represented in a system like Canada's is not what is needed in this country.

All_Around_Brown

With almost the entire free world having some form of national health insurance, why not take the best solutions of each and apply them here?

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PatsWickedPissah

I agree with the 1st part but maybe just maybe Canada's reform might just produce solutions worth considering. I have nothing against stealing any good ideas from Europe, enhanced (possibly) by Canada. AAB has a point. Our system is all about big insurance companies, not people. I don't see 'single payer' or 'entitled free healthcare' as solutions but this time I'm just like a Democrat, I see the problem but have no viable answers.

PatsFanInEaglesLand

Get lawyers out of the healthcare industry and watch co-pays & premiums go down.

PatsWickedPissah

While we can't get them out, and killing them would be wrong, we CAN reduce their cost impact on healthcare by limiting awards to the ultra-rich John Edwards vampires. Most folks know obstetricians who had to leave because of the unreal malpractise premiums. Over $50K/year. Lawyers have blamed every birth problem on malpractise. Sometmes bad stuff just happens.