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This war, whether the result of lies by the Bush administration or inept intelligence gathering by the Bush administraiton, is on the verge of becoming a crime of international proportion. If we don't get control of what's going on in Iraq, I think there will be calls to try the United States for war crimes. This is terribly alarming. What do we do? Wait and pray? Send in more troops? Run and accept the consequences? Run and rationalize?
Iraq's defense minister warned on Saturday of the risk of a "civil war" that "will never end" as sectarian violence flared again despite a second day of curfew in Baghdad.
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Don't forget the "inept" intel gathering of the Clinton administration, as well as that of France, Germany, The United Kingdom, and many others.
How many attacks were there on Americans during the "wonderful clinton years"?
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Keep the Arabs out of our Ports.
How many attacks were there on Americans during the "wonderful clinton years"?
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Keep the Arabs out of our Ports.
WTF are you talking about? Pay attention, keep focussed, and try to respond to the question.
If there are accusations of war crimes, it's only going to be the same nut-bag that is lobbing those same or similar accusations now. I'm not worried about it.
If there are accusations of war crimes, it's only going to be the same nut-bag that is lobbing those same or similar accusations now. I'm not worried about it.
My concern, BlueTalon, is that if Iraq (or even a broader area) spirals out of control, we'll be the obvious cause of that. As bad as Saddam was, his rule was better than anarchy and civil war, and I think most people would agree with that. (For example, we'd all probably rather have Cindy Sheehan or Pat Robertson as President then have mobs roaming the streets doing whatever harm they could.) We caused the problem, we have to find a way to address it. As one who has advocated pulling out in order to begin the peace process, I wonder if we'll soon be past the point of no return where even our departure won't calm things down. If that's the case, what do we do?
My concern, BlueTalon, is that if Iraq (or even a broader area) spirals out of control, we'll be the obvious cause of that. As bad as Saddam was, his rule was better than anarchy and civil war, and I think most people would agree with that. (For example, we'd all probably rather have Cindy Sheehan or Pat Robertson as President then have mobs roaming the streets doing whatever harm they could.) We caused the problem, we have to find a way to address it. As one who has advocated pulling out in order to begin the peace process, I wonder if we'll soon be past the point of no return where even our departure won't calm things down. If that's the case, what do we do?
Under our umbrella of protection, the Iraqi people have successfully conducted three (3) nationwide elections. Those jubilant, purple-fingered people are not the cause of the riots, nor are they the source of any war-crime accusations. The riots and strife in Iraq do not yet rise to the level of anarchy and civil war, and let's not be in a rush to put them there.
How do we (or the Iraqis) stop it? The same way we stop any riots. That strict curfew is a great first step.
Please disillusion yourself of the idea that our departure would "calm things down." Our departure would tell the terrorists that they win. "Just outlast the Americans and kill enough people, and they'll crawl back in their hole." Our departure would do precisely the opposite of calm things down -- it would open pandora's box.
Please disillusion yourself of the idea that our departure would "calm things down." Our departure would tell the terrorists that they win. "Just outlast the Americans and kill enough people, and they'll crawl back in their hole."
Of course that's what the terrorists want you to believe, but we all know that power is the courage to do what's in our interest, and Al Qaida's view of us has no bearing.
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Our departure would do precisely the opposite of calm things down -- it would open pandora's box.
That's really the point of this thread. If Iraq breaks into civil war and anarchy, what should we do? As one who has favored pulling troops out, I'm wondering if there's a civil war whether we have the responsibility to send in more troops if that's the only way to restore order. I don't know where I stand on this issue, but a civil war raises many new and tough moral questions.
Are we guilty of war crimes?
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