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ljuneau · 01-15-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Diver

First of all.....Who is hiring ANYONE?

...We no longer manufacture anything but weapons, we have successfully shipped all our jobs overseas, we have dropped the tax rate for the wealthiest americans...

We are losing jobs to other countries because it costs too much to make anything here in the U.S. Precisely because of unions and corporate taxes.

And unions are a major cause of corporate greed. Corporations are forced to make more higher profits to feed the demands of the union beast.

The major weapon used to fight corporate greed is competition.

Holy Diver · 01-15-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BelichickFan

Of course it's not "fair". If two identical earners have to pay a different tax then it's not fair.

What's the end result, though ? The bill gets less revenue which means it has to be made up somewhere which means taxing the "rich" many of whom are small business owners and there will be more layoffs or less hiring.

If it's fair to tax a non union person making $X then it's fair to tax a union person making $X.

Regarding the contract, contracts can be re-opened, obama is just bending over for his friends as usual.

Those non union people complaining that they dont have a union pay scale is REDONCULOUS.

I deal with Union and non union people all day....If you are complaining about not being paid as much, and are not in a union I have 3 words for you...

PAY YOUR DUES!

are you serious?

Holy Diver · 01-15-2010, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ljuneau

We are losing jobs to other countries because it costs too much to make anything here in the U.S. Precisely because of unions and corporate taxes.

And unions are a major cause of corporate greed. Corporations are forced to make more higher profits to feed the demands of the union beast.

The major weapon used to fight corporate greed is competition.

Thats a crock of $#!T...and you know it.

Its all to maximize profits for stockholders and the executives. Any honest person will tell you that, and claim capitalism as its shield for explaning it to you with a straight face.

A plant in Mexico, or a call cenetr in India has NO UNION, we are exporting slave labor, without a voice. All the while eliminating Jobs for AMERICANS. Then you all b!TCH that the unemployment figures are so high.....who thinks like you people?

A union keeps these poeple honest.

You seem to be for slave labor, sweatshops, and elimination of the middle class....

JackBauer · 01-15-2010, 03:27 PM

Not to mention that the US has one of the lowest effective corporate tax rates.

***BelichickFan*** · 01-15-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JackBauer

They can? How sure are you of this?

Sure they can. Usually the union wants something for the concessions, of course.

Anyway, regardless of that, IT'S NOT FAIR. Clearly. If you can't or won't add a tax for a union worker then you shouldn't add a tax for a non union worker.

ljuneau · 01-15-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Diver

Thats a crock of $#!T...and you know it.

Its all to maximize profits for stockholders and the executives. A plant in Mexico, or a call cenetr in India has NO UNION, this we are exporting slave labor, wiothout a voice. Any honest person will tell you that, and claim capitalism as its shirld for explaming it to you with a straight face.

A union keeps these poeple honest.

You seem to be for slave labor, sweatshops, and elimination of the middle class....

Hey, I never said I supported losing jobs to other countries. And I agree, that corporations try to max profits for their investors. But unions increase the cost of manufacturing and make us less competitive overseas.

American Axle Strike: Unions Continue to Kill U.S. Manufacturing

U.S. States Lead the World in High Corporate Taxes

Holy Diver · 01-15-2010, 03:34 PM

What do you conservatives hate more ... Healthcare, Taxes or Unions?

Because this is a situation where UNIONS' TAXES are being lowred on HEALTHCARE.....Its like a perfect storm of hatred for neo-cons, cons, and general greedy muhfukaz....

I understand why you all seem so confused on what to hate here....haters.

***patsfan13*** · 01-15-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Diver

First of all.....Who is hiring ANYONE?

The conservative experiment not only failed, it has taken us back a generation or two. We no longer manufacture anything but weapons, we have successfully shipped all our jobs overseas, we have dropped the tax rate for the wealthiest americans.

Now the few reamaining unions, who negotiated lower pay, to recieve a better nebefit package, and you people still B!TCHHH!!!

Its amazing!

Unions are the last voice of the worker against elite corporate greed. Imagine for a second if they did thge same thing to your VOTES as they are doing to the unions in this country?

Unions and their members should not be punished for this.

THis is a fair deal.

Some people already have jobs and medical plans. I know some young people with kids in exactly this situation.

Unions suck.

Holy Diver · 01-15-2010, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ljuneau

Hey, I never said I supported losing jobs to other countries. And I agree, that corporations try to max profits for their investors. But unions increase the cost of manufacturing and make us less competitive overseas.

American Axle Strike: Unions Continue to Kill U.S. Manufacturing

U.S. States Lead the World in High Corporate Taxes

What your shortsighted-ness fails to see is that the money the US worker makes in teh US gets spent in the US.

The money that the Indian makes from the US compnay, gets sucked out of teh us and circulated in India...

BUY AMERICAN.....even if it costs more. In the end you are helping america.

ljuneau · 01-15-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Diver

What do you conservatives hate more ... Healthcare, Taxes or Unions?

Because this is a situation where UNIONS' TAXES are being lowred on HEALTHCARE.....Its like a perfect storm of hatred for neo-cons, cons, and general greedy muhfukaz....

Has nothing to do with hate.

The unions are being bribed. Simple as that. They were threatening to drop support of the hc bill because of the cadillac tax. This bribe, exempting unions from the tax, was made so they continue supporting it.