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Old 02-11-2006, 03:49 AM   #1
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On Wednesday, February 1, a quiet, “churchy-looking” gentleman in a white shirt and tie walked into a packed auditorium on the campus of Utah Valley State College and electrified the room like a rock star. The 150-seat auditorium was filled to capacity, with every seat occupied, and people sitting in the aisles from the stage floor to the back of the room. Video cameras on tripods lined the back row. Two documentary-film crews were in attendance, in addition to the school’s camera crew, and various independent journalists. Seven “spill-over” rooms, with seating for 40-50 each, were also filled to capacity. On this very conservative campus (in the most conservative county in the most conservative state in the union), where community leaders pulled out all the stops in 2004 to prevent Michael Moore from speaking as part of his anti-Bush, pro-Kerry “Slacker Uprising Tour,” Dr. Steven Jones, this pious professor from the Mormon Church-owned Brigham Young University, calmly, gently, gave a simple physics lesson on the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings, the implications of which awed the audience with a sense of world-historical significance, and implied an indictment of the present administration so utterly devastating that it made Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11 look like a Bush apologia.

Dr. Jones argues that the physics behind the government’s explanation of the collapse of the Twin Towers on September 11 do not make sense, and that a better (and perhaps only) explanation for their collapse was that they were demolished, exactly the way structural engineers bring down large buildings, by pre-positioned explosive devices set off in precise sequences. He argues that the 650 degree Celsius temperature of burning jet fuel would not have been hot enough to even bend the steel girders of the WTC Towers, let alone to melt or evaporate them, as recovered beams indicate. And even if it was hot enough to evaporate the steel, the towers should not have collapsed as they did, pancaking so perfectly into their own footprints. On the rare times when such structures have failed (always due to earthquakes), they have toppled over sideways. The towers would have had to have been perfectly sliced, at every point along a horizontal plane at exactly the same instant, for something even resembling a pancaking effect to occur. And even if they did somehow pancake perfectly into their own footprints due to a structural failure, they would not have done it in the time it took for them to collapse, falling at essentially the speed of an apple dropped from the top of one of the towers, with nothing between it and the ground but thin air. The steel and concrete in the floors that collapsed should have taken some measurable time to break, and thus slowed the collapse somewhat as it unfolded. And even if it did collapse, at super speed, phwack phwack phwack, floor by floor, as fast as an apple falling through the air, impelled by the weight of the decapitated structure above it, its solid steel frame severed like a head by a flaming guillotine, that does not explain the molten steel seen at the Ground Zero clean-up site many days after the event. What could have caused such heat? asked Professor Jones.

And on it went, point by point, for almost two hours. Nothing about the physics of “what we know” about 9/11 seemed to add up. And all that’s not to mention the mysterious collapse of the forgotten WTC-7, the third steel-frame building that imploded due to fire, not only that day, but in the history of architectural design--the building that was not hit by a plane, that was surrounded by other buildings equally impacted but structurally undamaged by the collapse of the towers, that, with no jet fuel or violent impact, but allegedly due to a small number of scattered “debris fires,” collapsed, pancaking perfectly into its own footprint, looking exactly like video images of buildings being demolished by pre-positioned explosive devices. Playing the one available video of WTC-7 collapsing at slow speed, Dr. Jones used his laser pointer to indicate the explosive “squibs” clearly seen shooting their way up the sides of the building as it collapsed from the top center down. He showed still images of similar micro-explosions on the sides of the Twin Towers, with steel beams clearly visible, ejected out of the sides of the buildings, ahead of the dust, blown out before the above portions collapsed.

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Old 02-11-2006, 08:39 AM   #2
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While anything's possible, I tend to think there's too much incompetence and competition in government to engage in a conspiracy of this nature. If Dr. Jones was correct, you would think a lot more physicists would come forward.
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I'm busy for the next day else I'd comment heartily on this nonsense.
Now we see it's no wonder Glenn saw all those mysterious lights in the sky.
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While anything's possible, I tend to think there's too much incompetence and competition in government to engage in a conspiracy of this nature. If Dr. Jones was correct, you would think a lot more physicists would come forward.
Yep. Anyone that has worked in government (OK, I've only worked in the UK government, but the bureaucracy here is just as bad) would agree that they are incapable of pulling this off. Think about it. You could get an 8 or 9 figure sum for showing that the Bush Administration did 9/11 as an insider. Were it shown to be the case, Bush would face the death penalty. It is clearly not true and no one would accuse me of being a Bush supporter.

I've got some hot news for you. An extremist terrorist group called Al-Qaeda, led by the Saudi Arabian, Usama bin Ladin, did 9/11. Oh, and the USA landed on the moon, not Nevada. The physics of the conspiracy theorists are apparently complete nonsense, as many physicists have apparently shown.
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I think its easier if we all just grab our tin foil hats and prepare for the worst.
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It may be fun to dismiss anything that you have already made your mind up on as ridiculous and trivial. Attacking the messenger with snide comments. But, things happened on 9/11 that have not been explained and are too big for a thinking person to overlook. WTC aside there is no way a Jumbo Jet crashed into the Pentagon. All the physical evidence points to almost anything but. The lack of debris, the small hole that we see after the hit. Where an open book was not even singed a Titanium Jet engines supposedly burned to nothing? It's a matter of fact and record Jet fuel can not burn hot enough to disintegrate the engines and yet the engines where not found. Nor was much of any debris found and some of the few items found such as a rim on the lawn was not the right kind for the jet that supposedly crashed there.

I've never put much stock in JFK conspiracies or the like. Heck I don't even believe NFL officials are corrupt. But, from all the facts I've heard and seen there is something we don't know about 9/11. Of that I am 100% convinced.

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Ya know, I was looking at one of those conspiracy theory websites about shadow govts about a year ago. (not sure which, think it was illuminati news or some such). Usually take most of what they say with a grain, though one would have to be absolutely naive not to think that our govt has been corrupted by certain influential groups for a while now. Hence the reads.

Anyway, I came across an article written during the Clinton admin which predicted fairly closely the 911 tradgedy. Sent shivvers down my spine! Freaked me right out. The only thing they had wrong was the date. It was supposed to happen during the Clinton white house. Considering this article was written before the elections, kinda makes me believe what I just read above. Also makes me think that whoever was in office was gonna lie about it.

The article went on to say that this attack would be carried out in order to instill a sense of martial rule in the country. This would enable the administration in charge to implement new policies restricting the rights and freedoms of citizens. Hmmmmm.....
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It may be fun to dismiss anything that you have already made your mind up on as ridiculous and trivial. Attacking the messenger with snide comments. But, things happened on 9/11 that have not been explained and are too big for a thinking person to overlook. WTC aside there is no way a Jumbo Jet crashed into the Pentagon. All the physical evidence points to almost anything but. The lack of debris, the small hole that we see after the hit. Where an open book was not even singed a Titanium Jet engines supposedly burned to nothing? It's a matter of fact and record Jet fuel can not burn hot enough to disintegrate the engines and yet the engines where not found. Nor was much of any debris found and some of the few items found such as a rim on the lawn was not the right kind for the jet that supposedly crashed there.
Utter bilge.
So, what happened to the jet and to the families aboard?
And the FAA contradicts your wacko assertion.
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There's a lot of secrecy surrounding the Pentagon hit because its a military building that's still being used and the government would prefer that the enemy not know what the best method for destroying it is. The military is funny that way. They'd be sure to ***** if TIME magazine published data that could be used to gameplan an effective attack on their central command facility.
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