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Old 02-06-2006, 02:39 PM   #1
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More conservatives are breaking from Bush. By my count, that leaves the uber-rich, the utterly ignorant, and the religious zealots remaining in his camp.
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Old 02-06-2006, 03:01 PM   #2
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Balderdash, the American people support it, if somebody is planning on killing them they want to know about it.

Abraham Lincoln would shoot Harry Reid for treason. Can you imagine telling Lincoln not to "SPY" on the South.
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More conservatives are breaking from Bush. By my count, that leaves the uber-rich, the utterly ignorant, and the religious zealots remaining in his camp.
One is left wondering who will be left in his camp in three years' time. The words duck and lame come to mind. May I be first to call these people anti-American, freedom-hating, do gooder, liberals?
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I've been anti-Bush for several years due to his massive spending, like the prescription drug addition to medicare, but I have no problem with the wire tapping. If we want the government to be able to stop things we need them to be able to discover things.
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I've been anti-Bush for several years due to his massive spending, like the prescription drug addition to medicare, but I have no problem with the wire tapping. If we want the government to be able to stop things we need them to be able to discover things.
The government, yes, but the president should not be allowed to make law; otherwise, we're a dictatorship, perhaps a benign one, but a dictatorship nonetheless. Our founders created a system of checks and balances to prevent the abuse of power. No one denies the government may need special powers in order to fight terrorism, but for the president to simply usurp those powers creates a dangerous precedent that could lead to all sorts of abuse.
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As long as its legal for the Admin to get the warrant up to 72 hours after starting to eavesdrop, there's no legitimate reason for Bush to be breaking the law.
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Balderdash, the American people support it, if somebody is planning on killing them they want to know about it.
Since when have the "American people" been one voice? Seems like lots & lots & lots of American people find this reprehensible.
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Abraham Lincoln would shoot Harry Reid for treason. Can you imagine telling Lincoln not to "SPY" on the South.
Lots of differences there. That's called a "fallacy".
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I've been anti-Bush for several years due to his massive spending, like the prescription drug addition to medicare, but I have no problem with the wire tapping. If we want the government to be able to stop things we need them to be able to discover things.
wow...thats radical. You don't care much for the US constitutions 4th amendment huh?
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wow...thats radical. You don't care much for the US constitutions 4th amendment huh?
I have relatives in England, the government can pick up the phone and listen in all they want. I'll give that up if it increases the chance a little bit that next time I get on a plane it's not blown out of the sky. Life's full of give and take, this give is worth the take for me.
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Balderdash, the American people support it, if somebody is planning on killing them they want to know about it.

Abraham Lincoln would shoot Harry Reid for treason. Can you imagine telling Lincoln not to "SPY" on the South.
But Harry, that was a WAR with a real enemy army.
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