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Old 12-21-2009, 12:27 PM   #1
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Gov. David Paterson: Health care reform bill punishes New York

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Gov. Paterson Monday declared that New York is being "punished" by the national health care bill expected to be voted on by Christmas.
New York stands to lose between $1.1 billion to $1.25 billion a year if the bill is adopted unchanged, Paterson told Buffalo's WBEN-AM radio.
Even though the goal of the

Even though the goal of the legislation is to get as many people insured as possible, Paterson complained that New York is hurt by already having provided government-funded healthcare to a larger share of its residents.
Under the bill, he said, other states are being rewarded by enlisting more Medicaid recipients.



He said that New York, Massachusetts and Vermont were the hardest hits states by the legislation, but "sweetners" were added in recent days to help those other two states.


When Obama screws the states, they will screw us too. In the end, voters are losers.

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Old 12-21-2009, 12:33 PM   #2
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When Obama screws the states, they will screw us too. In the end, voters are losers.
On what planet does Gov. Paterson = all Democratic governors?
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A Reckless Health Care Bill That Nobody Believes In - WSJ.com

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Others got hush money, namely Nebraska's Ben Nelson. Even liberal Governors have been howling for months about ObamaCare's unfunded spending mandates: Other budget priorities like education will be crowded out when about 21% of the U.S. population is on Medicaid, the joint state-federal program intended for the poor. Nebraska Governor Dave Heineman calculates that ObamaCare will result in $2.5 billion in new costs for his state that "will be passed on to citizens through direct or indirect taxes and fees," as he put it in a letter to his state's junior Senator.

So in addition to abortion restrictions, Mr. Nelson won the concession that Congress will pay for 100% of Nebraska Medicaid expansions into perpetuity. His capitulation ought to cost him his political career, but more to the point, what about the other states that don't have a Senator who's the 60th vote for ObamaCare?
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When Obama screws the states, they will screw us too. In the end, voters are losers.
This bill punishes everyone. The elderly, the young and middle-aged, rich, poor and middle class. It punishes pharmaceuticals, insurance companies, and any company related to the health sector of the economy. It punishes small companies, medium-size companies and large corporations. It does absolutely nothing to bring down costs, but rather causes the price of insurance and medical services to go up. It does absolutely nothing to improve medical care, but rather will result in a lower quality of care with higher costs. The real nice part is that we get to start paying for it immediately after the bill is passed, yet the so-called benefits will not be implented for another 4 years. Merry Christmas all.
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This bill punishes everyone. The elderly, the young and middle-aged, rich, poor and middle class. It punishes pharmaceuticals, insurance companies, and any company related to the health sector of the economy. It punishes small companies, medium-size companies and large corporations. It does absolutely nothing to bring down costs, but rather causes the price of insurance and medical services to go up. It does absolutely nothing to improve medical care, but rather will result in a lower quality of care with higher costs. The real nice part is that we get to start paying for it immediately after the bill is passed, yet the so-called benefits will not be implented for another 4 years. Merry Christmas all.
I hope everybody had a good night sleept at 1AM because it is the last time we had it before working our ass off to pay all taxes tomorrow.
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This bill punishes everyone. The elderly, the young and middle-aged, rich, poor and middle class. It punishes pharmaceuticals, insurance companies, and any company related to the health sector of the economy. It punishes small companies, medium-size companies and large corporations. It does absolutely nothing to bring down costs, but rather causes the price of insurance and medical services to go up. It does absolutely nothing to improve medical care, but rather will result in a lower quality of care with higher costs. The real nice part is that we get to start paying for it immediately after the bill is passed, yet the so-called benefits will not be implented for another 4 years. Merry Christmas all.
You have a litany of assertions here. On what basis are you making most, if not all, of them?
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You have a litany of assertions here. On what basis are you making most, if not all, of them?
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1)How does it impact the quality of care i. e. waiting periods?
When you add 30 million people to the health care system while keeping the number of providers the same, you will inevitably strain the system and it will be tougher to get an appointment or doctors will be forced to spend less time with patients, it's the law of supply and demand.
2) This bill is supposed to cut $500 billion dollars from Medicare but not from doctors ( to keep it budget neutral) That means less money for hospitals and they must lower staffs affecting quality of care or risk going out of business. If you don’t cut that much money the program will balloon the deficit.
3)The rich get socked because their taxes go up greatly under the House version
4) The middle class (earning over $59K) lose their subsidies and must pay a high percentage of their income in premiums.
5)The lower income will suffer as businesses realize that it is cheaper to not provide health insurance and pay the tax on lower income employees to stay competitive in their industries. Take an employee earning $20K. An 8% tax is $1600 per year which is cheaper than the annual premiums for that person. Then they have to get the insurance themselves and pay

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6)Purchasing drugs from Canada or using the bulk purchasing power of Medicare to lower drug costs is eliminated in this bill leading to higher consumer costs.

7)HSA/MSA (Medical Savings Accounts) used by some to lower their health care costs ( high deductible high copays for lower premiums) are outlawed under the reform bill because out of pocket copays and deductibles are capped. If I can afford it, why shouldn’t I be able to assume the risk for a lower premium? It encourages people to stay healthy and not use the health care system since they see that the money is coming out of their own pocket. You can do it with homeowners insurance or auto insurance. Why shouldn’t I be able to do it with my health care insurance????
8) There will still be 23 million uninsured (8% of the population) after this is implemented according to the CBO. So they will still go to the physician and there will still be unreimbursed care for hospitals that will affect their bottom line. Cut their Medicare reimbursements and what happens to their bottom line??.
9) What is the verification process to ensure that only those in this country legally are able to sign up for the program? Anyone who has read my previous postings knows that I'm not xenophobic but I want those here to pay their fair share of taxes if they are to partake of the benefits of this country....
10) By expanding Medicaid ( health care for the indigient) to 4x the poverty level, it expands the pool of eligible recipients. The problem is that Medicaid is paid for by the states and this is essentially an unfunded mandate turned over to the states and handing them the bill at a time when states are struggling financially. The deal Sen. Nelson got was that the Feds pick up what would be Nebraska's share FOREVER.....until Sen. Dorgan said that future Congress' would not be bound by the agreement.....



Before you attack the messenger or accuse me of using 'right wing talking points' I took the time to read the first 250 pages of the bill until I fell asleep. I am asking specific questions that impact all of us......We need health care reform, just not this 'reform'.

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The sad thing is that Patsfanin Philly is only scratching the surface. How much more of this iceberg will we learn about as we start to read the bill.

What's going to happen when it's combined with the House version. How many more "sweat heart deals" will be made.
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