All_Around_Brown

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06020/641039.stm

What precedents we are setting for the future presidents to come. This law and that law no longer apply to the executive branch. By this measure, nothing Bush can do could be construed as illegal- there will be justification for all of it.

Explains why they have been breaking the law without remorse. Well that, in addition to having a Congress that refuses to do its oversight job.

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Pujo

The claim of absolute executive privelage is one that's been made many times before, all the way back to James Madison (Marbury v. Madison), later with the Truman steel mill seizure (Youngstown Co. v. Sawyer), again Richard Nixon (U.S. v. Nixon), through Clinton, and now Bush. And ultimately it's the courts that decide what's constitutional and what's not, and usually the courts correctly rule that executive power is NOT absolute.

The issue then always comes to how can the court enforce its order. Unfortunately, there's very little the court can do (they actually toyed with the idea of sending US Marshalls into the White House to seize the Watergate tapes, but then realized what kind of crisis that could cause). The fact that Bush has broken the law is crystal clear, but because only Congress can remove the President, and congress has no spine unless there is so much public pressure that congressmen and senators may loose their seats, it turns out that the President does have a blank check, except in the realm of public opinion. We are truly in danger of moving away from a constitutional government and toward a tyranny of the majority.

PatsFanInEaglesLand

So what to do? You guys are convinced that the Republicans are Fascists and most people I know are scared to death of the Democrats turning this country into a socialist paradise.

wistahpatsfan

Lets all get together and build a fascist paradise!

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PatsFanInEaglesLand

So what do you want to do? Elect all democrats. So we can have 50% taxes,open borders to illegals( although it is not like Bush gives a crap about that either), every employed person working for the government, rampant unionization so we can pay 8.00 for a loaf of bread. Lazy asses being taken care of cradle to grave? Teachers making 90k a year and have no accountability? Sounds a lot like Sweden with the backbone of Switzerland, nobody wants that except for maybe you.

All you give are insults never any suggestions, of course you are a democrat so what else is there to expect.

All_Around_Brown

What do we do? First we end the partisan attacks. Next we look at what our forefathers actually wrote. It is this, after all, that is supposed to be adhered to under any and all circumstances. They saw war in our nations future, and wrote specific binding laws to regulate abuses of power in war, as it is war that makes nations most vulnerable to collapse. They wrote clearly their intent to protect the government of the people by the people and for the people from such abuses. The words of the founding fathers are needed now more than ever. If there are high crimes and misdemeanors, let there be a trial, and jury, and punishment.

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shirtsleeve

Yup. The answer can always, always be found there. The founding fathers knew of what they wrote in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. A trial for high crimes and misdemeanors may be in order here. 'cept it wont happen. America, and I mean middle America, not The People's Republic of Massachusetts here, is not that upset by this. These polls that show favor of impeachment are slanted, because they predominantly poll the most populated areas. These large population centers are very democratic. This is due largely to the fact that the majority of the population in these areas owe their economic survival directly or indirectly to the govt.

But when the next election cycle passes, and the American Nazi Party is out of power, dont forget this call to look at the Constitution. It is the Democratic Party that keeps trying to officially rewrite the thing, saying it should be a living document, subject to change or reversal, without the process now in place.

wistahpatsfan

You must be referring to the movement to amend the Constitution to ban Gay marriage. Please be aware that BOTH parties are guilty of manipulating the Constitution for their own short-sighted purposes. There needs to be a cleansing of the law code, beginning with the repeal of the 16th Amendment and replace it with one that guarantees the right to control one's own body.

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shirtsleeve

No, I wasn't referring to that, though I'm against such an amendment. The 16th needs to go. As far as replacing it, are you referring to abortion? Cant support that one, either. Not a right wing religious nut, here. I'm all for birth control and some of the new drugs that can be given post coitus(no stinkin' spell check) before conception occurs, that actually prevent conception. But life begins at conception, and being a constitutionalist, I cannot violate the rights of the unborn to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

wistahpatsfan

I only mentioned it because you said the Dems were the ones who change the Constitution and I was just pointing out the last attempt at it was by the repubs, not that it matters.

I'm talking about everything about an ADULT's body, and that includes abortion, as much as I hate it being a part of our society (and it always will be). It also includes drug use, suicide, right to die, and standardizing the age of consent to cover drinking, marriage, enlistment, credit and loans, penal system...whatever. We're gonna have to part ways on the constitutionality of abortion here forever cause I'm not gonna bang heads on that one.

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