PatriotsReign

I fully supported President Clinton trying to cover up his infidelities and I fully support covering up a punch in the mouth (if that's what it was).

So no, I don't agree a punch in the mouth is a crime. As a matter of fact, if that's what it was, I'm proud of the guy!

If this accused terrorist did what they say he did, he doesn't deserve much justice.

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Mrs.PatsFanInVa

Yeah, but if Moss scores a winning touchdown but one of his teammates had deliberatly cold ****ed the defensive player assigned to cover Moss right before Moss caught the winning pass there would be a penalty assessed and the ball would be called back.

Opps, no touchdown. No win.

PatriotsReign

You mean, "Oops", dontcha?

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PatsWSB47

I hear ya but looking the other way if this guy was smacked around a bit doesn't compare to the cover up for pedophile priests.

I wonder though if the Military was trying to appease the Iraqis with the non-judicial punishment sentence. Is this another case of political correctness? The Military as noted in the article is very sensitive to abuse charges since the Abu Ghraib incident scandal and letting the Seals go without some kind of punishment might create another scandal. Now what gives the Seals some benefit of the doubt is the fact that they are challenging the military’s easy way out and are seeking the court marshal to clear their good names.

lostjumper

Question for some of you. Do you know what SEALs do? Do you have any earthly idea how tough their job is? MrsP seems to be comparing their job to an office job or something. They are not like you and I. They have spent their entire adult lives training to kill, capture, spy, etc. Nothing that anyone here in this thead does can remotely compare to what they do. Bringing up a football analogy is just dumb.

I don't know if any other country would bring up their own elite special forces on charges for apprehending a terrorist in a war zone. A WAR ZONE! They didn't torture him, they didn't kill him, they punched him once in the face...in a war zone, where people are trying to kill them.

Now we don't know the full details of this yet. But so far, this is just a shame.

PatsWSB47

The Seals still won though. They captured a high value target and he's in custody. That game is in the books......They may be "suspended for a a game" if they are found gulity though.

apple strudel

It's obviously wrong applying two standards of justice to different classes.

Being a surgeon is hard, but do you take that into account when one amputates the wrong leg?

Finally, the bulk of the charges seem to stem from lying and obstructing an investigation.

Tell me everybody, who is allowed to obstruct justice and who is not? I'd love to know.

stevedogc

I take by that response you disagree with me that the Seals are heroes. Do you? Are Navy Seals, or any other member of the military, a hero? Yes or No?


great logic. I guess that means that KSM is not a savage. Since he has yet to have his day in court. Or the other Al-Qeada members of 9/11. They will never get a day in court because they are all dead. They must not be savages as well. Unlike you, I take the words of the soldiers who, as was stated in the article, had been tracking this guy for some time.



not really. The Blackwater agents that were murdered while transporting supplies for a catering company. You think those savages would have done that to an Iraqi doing the same thing?


another great response. You care to tell the family members of the people who were murdered, burnt, tied up, dragged through the streets and hung from a bridge that it's "pretty bad".




your claim was that we shuoldnt call these guys savages without knowing the facts. Well its a fact that these seals were tracking this guys for some time and that intelligence sources identified him as the ring leader and the man responsible. I take the word of a soldier over that of a terrorist.



as much as it does on the fact of what the terrorist is accused of doing. And my question was what is your definition of a savage. I see you avoided that one. Whether or not this man is the one who did it, do you consider a person who kills an innocent person, then burns his body, drags it through the streets and then hangs it from a bridge to be a savage? Yes or No?

apple strudel

Members of the military are not necessarily heroes. I'm sure you'll have a hard time understanding how that works and come back with a wonderfully breathless reply.




This concept of savage is entirely irrelevant. Facts, of course, are. Savage, you'll note, is not exactly a rigorous term.

9/11? SAVAGES SAVAGES I SEE SAVAGES!!!



Apparently you didn't follow the near civil war that took place in Iraq where Sunnis and Shias routinely slaughtered each other.


Is there a point here other than hysterically emotive over-reaction? Don't get your panties all in a bunch, there, Sally.


Not really, the savage thing is your trope. I think you protest too much. My point was that you can't make instant and thoughtless assumptions of innocence based on some abstruse nonsense like "but these guys are heroes!" English, learn it, love it.

"Military Intelligence." Is that the same intelligence that makes a habit of bombing wedding parties in Afghanistan? This is great fun.

How about instead we use our brains, learn and examine the facts, and then draw conclusions rather than letting other people do our thinking for us? Right.

Yeah, you're pretty gullible. How about, rather than taking anybody at their word, you let the facts speak for themselves? Oh, right.



There's not a chance in hell anybody can find a rigorous definition. It's a completely irrelevant feint of moral superiority in lieu of rational thought. I.e., it's stupid and useless.

I love it when you play TV prosecutor.

stevedogc

why dont you explain it to me since you feel I dont understand. I have asked you to give me your examples and definiton of a hero and a savage. But you have refused to do so. For me, a soldier is a hero. The american military is a volunteer service. They are not forced to do it. They do so with a percieved risk that it could one day cost them their lives. To me that is a hero. That is my opinion. Which you feel the need to mock. I would love to here you/r opinion on the matter. I doubt I will get it since I have asked you for it several times and you fail to give it.



Again, you refuse to answer the direct questions asked of you. You are assertive in you opinions. And you seem to mock people when they give theirs. Yet you wont answer the questions asked of you. Why? Since you refuse then I guess that means you feel the people responsible for 9/11 and for the murders of the Blackwater agents are not savages. If you feel otherwise, I again asked you to explain yourself.



oh, ok. So that makes it ok for people to murder, burn, tie up, drag around and hang Americans who are transporting supplies. I fail to see the similarities.




you continued insults, mockery and refusal to answer or comment on the direct topics only prove you to be a fraud who cant back up what he claims. You claim the actions taken by the terrorist to be "pretty bad". I call them the acts of a savage.


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