Killing Rampage Fuels Muslim Prejudice - Page 4 - New England Patriots Forums

Mrs.PatsFanInVa · 11-06-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Real World

The problem was pictures with women, who in most muslim countries are not treated as equals. The guy was sexist. Regardless, you kinda sound like you're blaming his coworkers for his actions. When someone pizzes me off, I don't go shooting random people.

Was he sexist or was he simply following his religious beliefs? There's a difference.

And no, I am not blaming his coworkers for actions and I believe I stated so in my original post. I was simply saying that there are a whole lot of reasons that people go off the deep end - most of them small and insignificant on their own but when you add them all together they become insurmountable to someone with a shaky grasp on reality.

Still, there was no reason for people to harrass him about his picture taking - not on Christmas or at any other time of the year. I've never seen the sense in harrassing someone for no good reason. If they want to be left alone, fer gods sake, leave 'em alone. You don't have to understand it, you just have to respect it.

***Harry Boy*** · 11-06-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DarrylS

I used to find it funny sometimes, but lately anyone who politicizes the dead for their warped agenda time and time again, for the grace of god my grandson or anyone I care about was not at Ft. Hood yesterday and in the crosshairs... makes me want to puke...

If you are in the two minute warning period of your life, usually a good idea to make amends.. instead of fueling the hate.

If this shooter was Methodist or a Neo Con Nut you would bat an eye at what I said...........

***DarrylS*** · 11-06-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry Boy

If this shooter was Methodist or a Neo Con Nut you would bat an eye at what I said...........

Not really, but you want to believe it, anyone who politicizes this stuff for their own partisan agenda is a very sick... f..ck... not much else you can say. Glenn will be on soon, so get out your decoder ring I feel a big secret message coming on.

***patsfan13*** · 11-06-2009, 11:18 AM

This article was posted hours before the rampage:

"Resolving the Cognitive Dissonance of Islam"

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Islam is much more than a religion; it is a complete civilization that includes politics (caliphate), jurisprudence (Sharia law), war (jihad), and a deliberately misleading "religion of peace." The doctrine of Islam is found in three books: Koran (the literal word of Allah as "revealed" to Mohammed), Sira (Mohammad's biography), and Hadith (stories about and sayings of Mohammed by contemporaries). The definitive text of Sharia law is "Reliance of the Traveller." Allah and Mohammed are to be obeyed, not questioned. "Islam" means "submission;" a Muslim is "one who submits." "Islam" does not mean "peace."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/...ve_disson.html

***Harry Boy*** · 11-06-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs.PatsFanInVa

I'm beginning to think that Harry has nothing else which interests him nearly as much as hate and blame. He's the only adult I know who routinely uses schoolyard bully chant as his daily mantra.

I've never understood name calling, though...all that "scum sucking" and "tooth sucking" and "jugeared" stuff is just so, I don't know, dare I say it, juvenile? It's the kind of think you box your kids ears for saying and they eventually get the message and grow out of it.

It's certainly no way to get people to take you seriously, that's for sure. If fact, it works quite to the contrary. If it were funny, it would be good for a laugh at least, but it's not even that.

Mostly it's just sad - and a tab bit embarassing to even read.

I learned all that schoolyard talk from reading "Bush Hater" posts, I could care less if anybody on an internet forum takes me serious or not.

Pelosi "Sucks Her Teeth" Obama has "Ping Pong Paddle Jug Ears" those are FACTS all one has to do is watch them to understand that, remember the "Mumbling Chimp" as Jon Stewart like to call him.......

Sarah Palins book comes out the 17th, then you'll really hear some name calling sh!t.

PatsSB42 · 11-06-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by maverick4

An unstable guy went nuts and killed a bunch of people. The comments below are extremely interesting.

It's interesting that there have been countless Christian and Jewish serial killers and rampage killers in the US, but in this instance the vast majority of sentiment is about painting this guy as a 'typical' crazy Muslim, whose allegiance is automatically questioned because of his faith. I wonder if similar broad accusations about allegiance would be allowed anytime an Israeli American was caught spying on America, or being allowed to craft national Middle Eastern foreign policy.

Breitbart.tv Co-Worker: Ft. Hood Suspect Made ‘Outlandish’ Comments Condemning US Foreign Policy

This is fukcing beautiful. It burns you to hear of anyone describe this man a Muslim doesn’t it? Why? Deflection? He is one and though that in itself is harmless, it absolutely had an impact in this crime. This painting you're talking about is based on his behavior and the attention he drew to his own faith. Do you think that should just be shrugged off? The fukcer just killed 13 people who had laid their lives on the line in the service of this country. If not for fate it would have been 30 more. The man was a major and it just doesn’t add up that he was the victim of unending racism. It’s very convenient though. So far in this thread I've seen everything from empathy to posts that boarder on justification for losing it.

This is political correctness out of control. Cripes in your first sentence you excuse his fanaticism and call him just an unstable guy that went nuts then in the next you make sure you describe the countless Jewish and Christian killers in this country. Step back and look at your hate and your prejudice, will you?

And please do get me some evidence that the vast majority of sentiment is describing this bastard as a typical Muslim. Please do.

Real World · 11-06-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs.PatsFanInVa

Was he sexist or was he simply following his religious beliefs? There's a difference.

And no, I am not blaming his coworkers for actions and I believe I stated so in my original post. I was simply saying that there are a whole lot of reasons that people go off the deep end - most of them small and insignificant on their own but when you add them all together they become insurmountable to someone with a shaky grasp on reality.

Still, there was no reason for people to harrass him about his picture taking - not on Christmas or at any other time of the year. I've never seen the sense in harrassing someone for no good reason. If they want to be left alone, fer gods sake, leave 'em alone. You don't have to understand it, you just have to respect it.

His religous beliefs are his own business, but not wanting to take pictures with women (because you do not view them as an equal), is what it is. In this case, that was the issue, and not Christmas.

Going off the deep end, and yelling at someone, or throwing a temper tandrum is one thing, but bringing a gun into a building, to mow down strangers is another. The mere mention of the "deep end" in a situation like this, is the type of excusism that is insulting to the average person. There is no reasonable rationale that causes a person to kill innocent people in cold blood. No amount of pictures, or holiday mention, can explain the murderous act that happened yesterday. This is the problem with people of a certain persuasion. They simply try to find an excuse for everything. The guy is a murderous animal who should have his testicles ripped from his sag bag, by the families of those innocent people who were murdered in cold blood. People have done things to pizz me off in life, and never have I considered shooting passers by in the street over it. It's lunacy, and there is no possible "understanding" to be had here. The guy is a murderous loon. End of story.

***DarrylS*** · 11-06-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Real World

His religous beliefs are his own business, but not wanting to take pictures with women (because you do not view them as an equal), is what it is. In this case, that was the issue, and not Christmas.

Going off the deep end, and yelling at someone, or throwing a temper tandrum is one thing, but bringing a gun into a building, to mow down strangers is another. The mere mention of the "deep end" in a situation like this, is the type of excusism that is insulting to the average person. There is no reasonable rationale that causes a person to kill innocent people in cold blood. No amount of pictures, or holiday mention, can explain the murderous act that happened yesterday. This is the problem with people of a certain persuasion. They simply try to find an excuse for everything. The guy is a murderous animal who should have his testicles ripped from his sag bag, by the families of those innocent people who were murdered in cold blood. People have done things to pizz me off in life, and never have I considered shooting passers by in the street over it. It's lunacy, and there is no possible "understanding" to be had here. The guy is a murderous loon. End of story.

There is not a lot of disagreement, my question is that apparently he was noticed... and nothing was done?? He got promoted last year.... something is amiss here. This is our military, a system fraught with checks and balances... he was allowed to continue.. and somehow got guns into this place.

maverick4 · 11-06-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cupofjoe1962

Columbine & Virginia tech shooting were not done as a religious statment.

[b]If anyone has flown a jet into a U.S.A. skyscraper or the pentagon in the
name of

The fact you think 9-11 was Islam vs America is just more insane propagandist thinking. It's the same ridiculous thinking that made over half of the country think Iraq/Saddam was behind 9-11, when the vast majority of the people involved were from Saudi Arabia.

9-11 had nothing to do with religion, but with our long involvement in the Middle East. A lot of you here would instantly reverse positions if right after Columbine all the focus was on the Jewish-ness of those kids who shot everyone.

Wildo7 · 11-06-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs.PatsFanInVa

Was he sexist or was he simply following his religious beliefs? There's a difference.

No, there isn't a difference. Whether his opinions towards women were informed by his religion or any other beliefs, they are still sexist. I'm still in awe of how superstition has been able to carve out this untouchable niche that is free from criticism because it's "personal." His religion, like all religions is a bunch nonsense derived from irrational belief rather than reason. But like any set of beliefs or ideals, whether poltical or religious, the person who holds them is responsible for them. Up until recently the Mormon church was explicitly racist, because it's a religious tenet doesn't make the stance that the followers advocate non racist. Islam is a sexist religion to a degree beyond what we see in other religions, that certainly doesn't absolve its followers from being sexist by adhering to that aspect of the religion.

None of this is to say that the right wing lunatics using this incident as a platform to promote prejudice against all muslims are correct, however. Anyone with any basic critical thinking skills can see that for the transparent pandering to ignorance that it is.