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Re: At Least 7 Dead, 12 Wounded in Shooting at Ft. Hood in Texas
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Originally Posted by Roland
There should be no deployment of Muslims to the Middle East area of the world unless they are in a uniform other tha n USA. This is a stupid policy and one that needs to be reviewed. You cannot expect a Muslim man to favor country over religion, it is way too risky. Keep them in service here inthe USA or in non Muslim countries because they cannot be trusted. Add this to the friendly fire incidents not reported from overseas of Muslim vs infidel violence of our own people. Hopefully the statistics of this are made public for many have been killed, a very many.
Gee why don't we round up all of the muslims and put them into to camps it worked so well during WW2!! What about all of the NOI African Americans in the Army, should we not deploy them either???
You need Arabs in the field for their language skills, the trick is trying to limit the amount of "yeah, but" Arabs (You know, the ones you say, "yeah, 9/11 was horrible, but the US did.."). Let's not make this guy out to be Osama or Timothy McViegh just yet, he just might be a nut who happens to be an Muslim.
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Re: At Least 7 Dead, 12 Wounded in Shooting at Ft. Hood in Texas
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All I can say is that I actually know one of the people who was in the room when the shooting happened. The only thing they cared about at the time was helping the wounded.
I can't imagine what they're all going through right now; them and their poor families. My brother's friend is there, I know 2 people who have friends/ relatives there as well. My brother's friend's mom was absolutely frantic when the news broke, she'd heard it on her car radio driving home from work.
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Hasan was working with soldiers at Darnall Army Medical Center on Fort Hood after being transfered in July from Walter Reed Army Medical Center, where he had worked for six years before recently receiving a poor review.
George Stratton's son, George Stratton III, was five feet away from the shooter at the Soldier Readiness Center and suffered a gunshot wound to his left shoulder.
"He said he was there doing medical stuff and all of a sudden someone came through the door, walked behind the desk and just started shooting," Stratton told FoxNews.com.
He said about 15 rounds went off and people started dropping to the floor.
"He peaked up over the desk and that's when he was shot in the shoulder, and he just went down again. He said he saw one of his NCOs get badly shot," Stratton told FoxNews.com after talking to his son in the hospital. "After he got shot he told me, 'Dad, I got up, held my arm and took off running.'"
Stratton said his son was expected to be deployed to Afghanistan in January after going to basic training exactly a year ago.
"It's pretty hard to believe something like this happened," Stratton told FoxNews.com. "I think he's probably had his fill of war already."
A gazillion miles away with enemies dressed as friends and friends dressed as enemies, troops have to know they can trust eachother and have eachother to keep eachother safe.
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I spent 4 years on airbases, the only time I held a firearm was at basic training 2 times to learn how to use it and once to qualify with it. On the base the only people with guns were the MP's and when they were off duty the guns were under lock and key.
That isn't counting the soldiers who carry weapons for live fire training and testing, which is the only case where weapons are carried on the base according to articles.
If/when they do have weapons on them it's when they are checked out of the armory and being readied with their gear for their deployment and even then they don't have or shouldn't have live ammunition in them.
There is no ifs, ands, or buts- this guy is going to be going to Ft. Leavenworth Prison for a long stay then have a date with a needle at Terra Haute Federal Prison.
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Re: At Least 7 Dead, 12 Wounded in Shooting at Ft. Hood in Texas
A clearer picture is emerging this morning on this whole affair, that is based on the assumption that things can get clearer... still does not make a lot of sense, in the rear view mirror there were some red flags...
He was born near Roanoke Va, his parents were from Palestine and deceased, he has a brother who is an attorney in Israel....
He was in the army for something like 14 years, and had gotten poor performance appraisals... he also seemed to be loosing grip with reality, why didn't they get rid of him??
He was at Bethseda treating post traumatic stress disorder patients, that is stressful in itself, but didn't anyone notice he was loosing it also??
He did not want to get deployed, said he was being harassed, why did he continue to reinlist??
Maj. Hasan's professional specialties included treating soldiers with post-traumatic stress disorder and other mental problems stemming from the ordeal of military combat and other grave stresses.
But, soon to be pressed into an overseas military assignment, Maj. Hasan may have developed emotional issues of his own.
Pentagon officials said Thursday that Maj. Hasan had indicated he was deeply upset about a pending deployment to Iraq in coming weeks.
A former Fort Hood colleague, retired Col. Terry Lee, told Fox News that Maj. Hasan would often make "outlandish" comments about combat. A Muslim, he was sometimes vocal about the war.
The Associated Press reported that Hasan attracted the attention of law enforcement authorities in recent months after an Internet posting under the screen name "NidalHasan" compared Islamic suicide bombers to Japanese kamikaze pilots. "To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate," the posting read. "It's more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause."
He steered clear of female colleagues, co-workers said, and despite devout religious practices, listed himself in Army records as having no religious preference.
A longtime Walter Reed colleague who referred patients to psychiatrists said co-workers avoided sending service members to Hasan because of his unusual manner and solitary work habits.
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Re: At Least 7 Dead, 12 Wounded in Shooting at Ft. Hood in Texas
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Originally Posted by patsfan13
I spent 4 years on airbases, the only time I held a firearm was at basic training 2 times to learn how to use it and once to qualify with it. On the base the only people with guns were the MP's and when they were off duty the guns were under lock and key.
You're correct, PatsFan. Anyone who possesses a firearm on base without strict permission is liable for severe penalties. Often that leads to only MPs being armed, unless soldiers are heading out to the range. Then they don't have ammo with them, just scary-looking assault rifles.
People don't realize that huge military bases like Ft. Hood can easily be turned into shooting galleries. It's easier to kill there than a place like New Hampshire where the ability for an average citizen to be armed if he so chooses is acknowledged as an inalienable one.
I wish the Second Amendment--for which our soldiers are dying to defend as part of our sacred Bill of Rights--were alive and well at our military bases.
I went to West Point last year to watch them beat UNH in football. Oops, UNH won. I had my snubbie locked away in my vehicle--a big risk--but driving through high-crime states means I get to protect my family of four young children. (Getting into the stadium requires going through metal detectors, however.)
Killing a lot of cadets could have been successful, though suicidal. There was one MP with an M-16. After the game the corps streamed past him dense and thick on their way past the inspiring Cadet Chapel, designed by Ralph Adams Cram. Notwithstanding the dramatically ramped up security since when I attended (mid to late 1980s), where it was a ridiculously soft target, the place is still vulnerable as long as they let in outsiders so easily for football games.
At most other times of the year mere visitors get the cold shoulder treatment and have to go on authorized buses in order to get past the armed security at the gates.
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What I do not understand, is that now all these folks are coming for with "outlandish comments'... were they silent prior to this, or if it was reported and ignored...
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"He said, precisely, that maybe the Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor."
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Originally Posted by State
, the place is still vulnerable as long as they let in outsiders so easily for football games.
At most other times of the year mere visitors get the cold shoulder treatment and have to go on authorized buses in order to get past the armed security at the gates.
In this particular case it wasn't a "visitor" they needed to be worried about, though, was it? Security doesn't matter one whit when it's an insider who causes the problem.
Be that as it may, my son often visits a friend at an army base near our home - and all we have to do to get in is show ID. No car search, no weapons search, no nothing. Show 'em an ID for everyone in the car and you're good to go. Most times they don't even ask where I'm headed or why.
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Originally Posted by DarrylS
AHe was at Bethseda treating post traumatic stress disorder patients, that is stressful in itself, but didn't anyone notice he was loosing it also??
He did not want to get deployed, said he was being harassed, why did he continue to reinlist??
I've read a few articles which stated that he'd tried to get out....that he'd even hired a lawyer to look into it for him but that the army would not release him from his contract even after he offered to pay back the cost of his education.
I've also read interviews with a few of his old patients from Walter Reed and they all seemed to like him just fine and to be totally surprised by his actions.
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