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Old 10-27-2009, 03:04 PM   #11
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Given your posts it seems you're less of a loon and just extremely ignorant: a barometer of the memes the Average Joe has internalized.
Funny you should write this. I find PR's posts well thought out and informative - just the opposite of yours. Over the past year, I've noticed that a notable amount of your posts are simply obnoxious personal attacks and provide no intellectual stimulus whatsoever. Ironic, huh?
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:23 PM   #12
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Good for Lieberman. Although the people like generic "healthcare reform" they don't like the current bills so they shouldn't be bullied through - especially with 51 votes, shame on you for wanting that, HD.

Interestingly, polls do favor a public option of some kind but not with the specific bills which would favor the public option over private system to the point that it's a non level playing field. Instead of bullying this through they need to take the parts the people do want and making something work with those as constraints instead of adding all kinds of crap that is unpopular.
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:25 PM   #13
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Harry Reid is basically a neo-liberal-con....waaayyy out of whack with mainstream America.

Isn't a fuggn' riot how people use "neo-con" like it's a bad word? someone calls a politician a "Neo-con", his response should be.....

"Yes....AND?"
AND... I, for one, would be happy to remind said smarmy politician of all that the PNAC boys have accomplished this decade.

It is a word that connotates geopolitical criminality, in my view. So, yes, it's bad.

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Isn't a fuggn' riot how people use "neo-con" like it's a bad word? someone calls a politician a "Neo-con", his response should be.....

"Yes....AND?"
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...they don't like the current bills so they shouldn't be bullied through - especially with 51 votes, shame on you for wanting that, HD.
On what planet is passing a bill in the Senate with 51 votes considered "bullying"?
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:33 PM   #16
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Joe Lieberman, circa 2006:

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What I'm saying to the people of Connecticut, I can do more for you and your families to get something done to make health care affordable, to get universal health insurance.
Interesting, that.
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On what planet is passing a bill in the Senate with 51 votes considered "bullying"?
You know the answer to that, it will be filibustered and it is bullying to use reconciliation on something of this size.

Wait for a week from today when the Republicans win the Governor races in VA and NJ; Dems will be running for the hills to listen to their constituents instead of Harry and Nancy.
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If the dems wanted to go nuclear they could. They won't though. They want to be reelected in their eventual campaigns, and going nuke will affect that.

Good for Lieberman in the sense that he understands what the basic implementation of the bill in question would mean for people. It's encouraging that someone in DC understands that stuff.
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You know the answer to that, it will be filibustered and it is bullying to use reconciliation on something of this size.

Wait for a week from today when the Republicans win the Governor races in VA and NJ; Dems will be running for the hills to listen to their constituents instead of Harry and Nancy.
I wouldn't be so sure about New Jersey. VA, yes, but Creigh Deeds is a douche who ran a horrible campaign so I'm not sure I'd hang my hat on that one.

Don't Republicans typically filibuster just about every piece of legislation that comes up for a vote these days?
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If the dems wanted to go nuclear they could. They won't though. They want to be reelected in their eventual campaigns, and going nuke will affect that.

Good for Lieberman in the sense that he understands what the basic implementation of the bill in question would mean for people. It's encouraging that someone in DC understands that stuff.
If you really think that's what Joe Lieberman is basing this calculation on, I have some nice waterfront property to sell you.
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