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***IcyPatriot*** · 08-24-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Patters

It doesn't matter that support among the troops is falling; the right-wing will keep on sending them overseas so as not to make Bush look wrong. The righties seem to be willing to let a lot of troops die so as to justify Bush's policies.

Just wondering does this now apply to the lefties?
Are they willing to let a lot of troops die to justify Obama's policies?
Bush sort of had a policy - Obama to date has no policy - just more troops.

2 Presidents who both took the fight to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.
Seems to me that our President(s) are puppets - no more and no less.

The silence from the war protesting left is incredible - why the change?

Would anyone we elect change this policy?

It does not look like it will change anytime soon unless Congress pulls the plug. Congress needs to stop approving war funding ... but they won't will they? Oh well we'll elect a moderate next time ... not that anything will change but it will make us feel better for 100 days. We'll feel like we're in control again - just like we just did - again.

***DarrylS*** · 08-24-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyPatriot

Just wondering does this now apply to the lefties?
Are they willing to let a lot of troops die to justify Obama's policies?
Bush sort of had a policy - Obama to date has no policy - just more troops.

2 Presidents who both took the fight to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.
Seems to me that our President(s) are puppets - no more and no less.

The silence from the war protesting left is incredible - why the change?

Would anyone we elect change this policy?

It does not look like it will change anytime soon unless Congress pulls the plug. Congress needs to stop approving war funding ... but they won't will they? Oh well we'll elect a moderate next time ... not that anything will change but it will make us feel better for 100 days. We'll feel like we're in control again - just like we just did - again.

Simply it is easier to blame Afghanistan for their relationship to 9-11.. and if George had gone this way several years ago, it would have been a crowning achievement, rather than a millstone...

The masters or war, pretty much dictate all this stuff.. right now it is a high tech game played by officers in the basement of the pentagon, who use drones and dial in "smart bomb" drops... what we need is better reporting on the ground and a naked child running down the street on fire or with 3rd degree burns.. right now it is an impersonal war..

The policy will not change, no matter who is in office, it is that old and tired military industrial complex...

Bulls on Parade comes to mind:

Quote:

That five sided fist-a-gon
Tha rotten sore on the face of mother earth gets
Bigger
Tha triggers cold empty ya purse
They rally round tha family
With pockets full of shells
Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
Not need, just feed tha war canibal animal
I walk tha corner to tha rubble that used to be a
Library
Line up to tha mind cemetery
What we dont know keeps tha contracts alive an
Movin

***IcyPatriot*** · 08-24-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DarrylS

Simply it is easier to blame Afghanistan for their relationship to 9-11.. and if George had gone this way several years ago, it would have been a crowning achievement, rather than a millstone...

The masters or war, pretty much dictate all this stuff.. right now it is a high tech game played by officers in the basement of the pentagon, who use drones and dial in "smart bomb" drops... what we need is better reporting on the ground and a naked child running down the street on fire or with 3rd degree burns.. right now it is an impersonal war..

The policy will not change, no matter who is in office, it is that old and tired military industrial complex...

Bulls on Parade comes to mind:

Scary stuff ... but this story perhaps shows there is still hope.
The ?Other? War Starts Making News | Project for Excellence in Journalism (PEJ)

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213% - Increase in Afghanistan coverage since July 1 vs. first half of 2009
With a critical presidential election looming in the country and the U.S. forces pressing the fight against Taliban strongholds, the war in Afghanistan made a significant amount of news last week. From August 10-16, the subject attracted the most attention of any week in the more than two and a half years that the Pew Research Center’s Project for Excellence in Journalism has been tracking media coverage on ongoing basis.

But last week’s spike, for those who have been paying close attention, didn’t come out of the blue. It was the latest sign of a growing focus on Afghanistan as U.S. policy there and the situation in Iraq have changed

sdaniels7114 · 08-24-2009, 03:57 PM

We probably can't stop the Heroin trade, but I'm betting that we can make it so the guys at the top of the Heroin pyramid are buying luxury yachts and giant mansions, not dirty bombs set to go off just outside Fenway Park.

***DarrylS*** · 08-24-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyPatriot

Scary stuff ... but this story perhaps shows there is still hope.
The ?Other? War Starts Making News | Project for Excellence in Journalism (PEJ)

If you get a chance go to Global Security.com, on the left click on military then on systems.. it will give you a list of all of the current and planned military systems being developed, if you look hard enough you can easily realize how much R & D goes to Lockheed, Grumman and the rest of the masters of War... there is so much invested, difficult to stop...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/index.html

alvinnf · 08-24-2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyPatriot

Just wondering does this now apply to the lefties?
Are they willing to let a lot of troops die to justify Obama's policies?
Bush sort of had a policy - Obama to date has no policy - just more troops.

2 Presidents who both took the fight to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.
Seems to me that our President(s) are puppets - no more and no less.

The silence from the war protesting left is incredible - why the change?

Would anyone we elect change this policy?

It does not look like it will change anytime soon unless Congress pulls the plug. Congress needs to stop approving war funding ... but they won't will they? Oh well we'll elect a moderate next time ... not that anything will change but it will make us feel better for 100 days. We'll feel like we're in control again - just like we just did - again.

That's cold, money. Cold!

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss?

***IcyPatriot*** · 08-24-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by alvinnf

That's cold, money. Cold!

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss?

It's looking more and more like Obama will be a 1 term POTUS. He doesn't seem to be fazed by his poll numbers. The democrats in DC will take the fall just as the republicans ... and on and on it goes.

alvinnf · 08-24-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyPatriot

It's looking more and more like Obama will be a 1 term POTUS. He doesn't seem to be fazed by his poll numbers. The democrats in DC will take the fall just as the republicans ... and on and on it goes.

Not only that, but after "change you can believe in", he's probably set the reformist movement back a decade or so. He blew so much smoke up people's @sses . He's crippled someone whom might actually be honest and want to transcend a defunct system! Obama, the boy who cried wolf.

***DarrylS*** · 08-25-2009, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by alvinnf

Not only that, but after "change you can believe in", he's probably set the reformist movement back a decade or so. He blew so much smoke up people's @sses . He's crippled someone whom might actually be honest and want to transcend a defunct system! Obama, the boy who cried wolf.

Think you should at wait until next summer to see how all of this shakes out... suspect the agenda will be markedly different next year.

wistahpatsfan · 08-25-2009, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DarrylS

Think you should at wait until next summer to see how all of this shakes out... suspect the agenda will be markedly different next year.

Based on what? The escalation of ops in Afghanistan? The insertion of another 20,000 troops by Christmas? What makes you think Obama is doing anything more than what he's being told to do by the military/Congressional Industrial Complex?! The "terrorists" and "insurgents" in the region are no less effective than they were 6 years ago. There is no peace in Baghdad. The heroine is pouring out of the region. Our mere presence still is the ultimate recruiting tool for the opposition.

There are no mission statements or ultimately achievable objectives coming out. The brass on the ground admit this is undoable, but that's not surprising since that has been the fate of every foreign force in that hellhole since Alexander.

What, in your opinion, has changed that gives you any optimism? The fact that the Democrats are in "control"? You can't be serious!

And worst of all, no one in the States gives a flying fu(k! Obama is responsible for the deaths of every American in the Middle East from now on. There's no legitimate reason for US forces to be present there except to perpetuate the status quo.