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But in reality, with all our layers of security.. NSA, FBI, CIA and all the resources of Homeland Security with its billions of dollars of budget.. don't you think that the "inner circle" already knows all of this????
One would think ... then again government is less open than we think.
Now I got beat up in this forum when I was all over this. But I stand by what I said. The same standards that apply for getting a job for the FBI or CIA should apply to running for Congress, Senate, President, being in the President's Cabinet or being a czar. These people all have some access to sensitive information. Their background should be explored, birth history should be confirmed when applicable, entire medical and school records available. Government is supposed to be open ... well ... then open it up. By god these people are supposed to be our servants ... well then act like a servant.
EDIT: I forgot to add just because someone decides to run for office should not in itself be enough to keep elections fair. The Obama case proved if nothing else that average citizens have no right to remedy from our legal system. the Obama case is symbolic at this point. But what happens when someone who is a rogue actually succeeds in becoming a President or a Congressman or Senator with security clearances. We need to open the book on the entire process and state what the process is, the vetting ... the requirements with nop leniency as to every requirement.
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He absolutely should provide it, as should anyone who runs for POTUS. The idea that a candidate doesn't have to prove he was born here, when it's the law that he/she has to be, boggles the mind. If Jindal tosses his hat into the ring, he should provide a copy of his BC for all to see.
CAn you just IMAGINE if we voted someone president and then found out he wasn't REALLY a "natural born" citizen? The law says all candidates MUST make their BC's available to the general public. Not just to some committee.
That is our RIGHT. It's not like we'd have to prove Jindal isn't a citizen....the onus is on the candidate to prove he is in fact a natural born citizen.
Let us hope and pray REAL hard that no "non-natural born citizen" ever gets mistakenly voted into office. As a matter of fact, it should be IMPOSSIBLE for that to happen.
It should be up the FBI to investigate every POTUS candidate's citizenship BEFORE he/she every get's on the ballot.
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Sure, as long as you don't hide your birth certificate!
Absolutely not. Obama is not an Anchor Baby. He was born to an American mother in Honolulu, and I have seen the birth announcement from the Honolulu paper, as well as the birth certificate online. It's a settled matter.
I've seen nothing about Piyush "Bobby" Jindal.
Now that we've dispense with the "I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I" reaction, your initial reaction that you DO want to see Piyush Jindal's birth certificate obviously displays a sense of consistency, so good for you. Having been among those expending wasted breath and effort digging that hole a year ago, you've at least reconciled yourself to general xenophobia regardless of party.
However, the other alternative is to say that Jindal seems not to give a crap about long form, short form, or other form of birth certificate, since it's an absurd demand.
From all indications he was born in Baton Rouge, and of course, my personal predilection to believe he was born in Uttar Pradesh is beside the point. The post is in fact just sh1t-stirring, to display how ludicrous the "birthers" are, and to illustrate that it is an outgrowth of know-nothing nativism more worthy of the early 20th century than the early 21st.
However, in the spirit of consistency, I do wonder why none of the right-wing crowd call him by his given name, Piyush, since they are so fastidious about including President Obama's otherwise neglected middle name.
Not that it did them any good. The Republican Party managed to lose, in modern-day America, to a black man with an Arabic-sounding middle name (both firsts.) The name was even the name of a foreign dictator we had recently gone to war with.
Still, why the selective xenophobia? At the very least our local fringies should be making a point of the fastidious naming conventions by which they discuss our president. Similarly, they should not really be discussing Jindal as a candidate until his birth certificate is displayed on the interwebs... which I take it he hasn't gotten around to. And whatever Jindal posts, they should be very very careful about the possibility it is a forgery, all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.
Since McCain is pretty much a dead issue at this point, his birth in the country of Panama need not concern us, except in the context of right wing "birther" hypocrisy.
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You're a fraud hypocrite then. You start a thread demanding that Jindal show his BC, yet you don't demand the same of the CIC you support. You're wondering about Pepsi's consistency, when you're inconsistent yourself. Sorry pal, I just call them how I see them.
As for his first name, when he runs for president, we'll see how people treat it. If their is a reason for some people to use it, as in the coincidental "Hussein" deal (remember, I'm not a "Hussein" guy), then I'm sure someone will use it to their advantage. If not, then I'm not sure it'd be all that big a deal. My point is that Coke will use whatever it can against Pepsi, and vice versa. Hussein was exploitable because if it's relationship to the deposed Iraqi leader, and muslims.
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But in reality, with all our layers of security.. NSA, FBI, CIA and all the resources of Homeland Security with its billions of dollars of budget.. don't you think that the "inner circle" already knows all of this????
Oh, well if the "inner circle" knows, then what's the big deal eh?
If the inner circle knows, why shouldn't the general public? Is his BC a matter of national security or something? I've never been one to scream and hollar about his BC. I am someone who feels that anyone who runs for president, should have to make such information public. This is the POTUS, and not some job at MCDonalds. I think every candidate should put forward, or fill out, some kind of public application, for all to see. I don't want their credit card numbers or anything. I just want some basic info that proves they are who they say they are, or that they don't have a criminal record, did graduate from where they say they did, etc. Basic stuff is all.
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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him." Leo Tolstoy, 1897
CAn you just IMAGINE if we voted someone president and then found out he wasn't REALLY a "natural born" citizen? The law says all candidates MUST make their BC's available to the general public. Not just to some committee.
That is our RIGHT. It's not like we'd have to prove Jindal isn't a citizen....the onus is on the candidate to prove he is in fact a natural born citizen.
Let us hope and pray REAL hard that no "non-natural born citizen" ever gets mistakenly voted into office. As a matter of fact, it should be IMPOSSIBLE for that to happen.
It should be up the FBI to investigate every POTUS candidate's citizenship BEFORE he/she every get's on the ballot.
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Like I keep saying, we don't agree on everything, but we're not far apart in how we think. Someone running for president should absolutely provide some of the more obvious, and basic info, if they want to run for the job.
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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him." Leo Tolstoy, 1897
You're a fraud hypocrite then. You start a thread demanding that Jindal show his BC, yet you don't demand the same of the CIC you support. You're wondering about Pepsi's consistency, when you're inconsistent yourself. Sorry pal, I just call them how I see them.
And you don't see irony. I won't say you're dumb, thick-headed, or willfully obtuse, because those would be judgements of your person. Your response here, however, is consistent with the response that might be made by a dumb, thick-headed, or willfully obtuse person.
Do you REALLY think I'd create a "Piyush Jindal birther post" in full seriousness?
I am delighted to see this out there, precisely because we had an active thread for quite some time about this bright new light for the Republican party. Naturally, they do not apply the same tactics or argumentation to Jindal.
As to consistency, I specifically lauded your own. You are wrong not only about the idiotic "birther" demands on Obama, but also about the equivalent purposefully idiotic thread I have started regarding Piyush Jindal.
You are, however, consistent in your silly point of view, which is more admirable than were you silly in one case and sensible in the other.
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As for his first name, when he runs for president, we'll see how people treat it. If their is a reason for some people to use it, as in the coincidental "Hussein" deal (remember, I'm not a "Hussein" guy), then I'm sure someone will use it to their advantage. If not, then I'm not sure it'd be all that big a deal. My point is that Coke will use whatever it can against Pepsi, and vice versa. Hussein was exploitable because if it's relationship to the deposed Iraqi leader, and muslims.
You are right. And "Coke" being the red can, I suppose they're the GOP... and the point here is that nobody is calling Piyush Jindal by his name, because that's not how "Pepsi" in the blue can behaves. That's a "coke" thing.
That's another irony dealie here, RW, look into it. I for one will continue to call Piyush Jindal by his given name, rather than his nickname (acquired when, at an early age, it was noted that he resembled the character of Bobby Brady.)
I would not do this, of course, had I never seen the disgraceful "Hussein" tactic last year. But at what point do we eventually just say what's good for the goose is good for the gander on this nonsense?
I say now.
Where are the Jindal birthers? Why do I see him called "Bobby" not "Piyush 'Bobby' Jindal"?
What makes Obama so special in that regard? He was "Hussein" in the right wing blogosphere and media before he was president. Jindal is constantly mentioned as presidential timber.
So I ask not so much where is his birth certificate, as originally and ironically put forth originally. You want to know what I really want to know?
CAn you just IMAGINE if we voted someone president and then found out he wasn't REALLY a "natural born" citizen? The law says all candidates MUST make their BC's available to the general public. Not just to some committee.
That is our RIGHT. It's not like we'd have to prove Jindal isn't a citizen....the onus is on the candidate to prove he is in fact a natural born citizen.
Let us hope and pray REAL hard that no "non-natural born citizen" ever gets mistakenly voted into office. As a matter of fact, it should be IMPOSSIBLE for that to happen.
It should be up the FBI to investigate every POTUS candidate's citizenship BEFORE he/she every get's on the ballot.
EVERYONE AGREE?
Yes or No is all that is required to answer the question
If the FBI investigated Barack Hussein Obama looking for a birth certificate before the elections loud SCREAMS OF RACISM would have echoed throughout the land, Mush Mouth Chris Matthews would have had a Stroke coupled by a massive Hernia right on live TV.
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If the FBI investigated Barack Hussein Obama looking for a birth certificate before the elections loud SCREAMS OF RACISM would have echoed throughout the land, Mush Mouth Chris Matthews would have had a Stroke coupled by a massive Hernia right on live TV.
So what Harry? Honestly, who really gives a shyt? If people think it's racist, that's ok...and, it's not really important. All citizens should be able to read an in-depth personal history of any candidate including their financial history (i.e. did they ever declare bankruptcy?)
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