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Interesting cover story in the Globe Magazine today about the legacy of Willie Horton, and how his case has reduced commutations and pardons in most states, especially in the Commonwealth.
I seem to remember a lot of criticism of George Bush for bringing up this issue in the 1988 campaign against Michael Dukakis. People forget that Dukakis vetoed legislation denying furloughs to felons with life sentences. After all, who could ever imagine that a guy in prison for life (without possibility of parole) might actually decide not to return to the jailhouse after one such weekend?
If that isn't a legitimate campaign issue, then I don't know what is.
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Interesting cover story in the Globe Magazine today about the legacy of Willie Horton, and how his case has reduced commutations and pardons in most states, especially in the Commonwealth.
I seem to remember a lot of criticism of George Bush for bringing up this issue in the 1988 campaign against Michael Dukakis. People forget that Dukakis vetoed legislation denying furloughs to felons with life sentences. After all, who could ever imagine that a guy in prison for life (without possibility of parole) might actually decide not to return to the jailhouse after one such weekend?
If that isn't a legitimate campaign issue, then I don't know what is.
Good post ... there's never enough money spent on keeping society safe. The longer these people are kept locked up the better. you committ the crime you give up your rights to live in a free society ... end of story. So what if you rot and die in the can ... like anyone should care.
Interesting cover story in the Globe Magazine today about the legacy of Willie Horton, and how his case has reduced commutations and pardons in most states, especially in the Commonwealth.
I seem to remember a lot of criticism of George Bush for bringing up this issue in the 1988 campaign against Michael Dukakis.
The issue with Willie Horton was it was used by the Republicans to play the race card; the furlough aspects was merely a the transparent rationale used by the Republicans.
After the racist Reagan era, Lee Atwater (the Karl Rove of his day) made his death bed apology:
TUCKER (12/3/00): Bush ought to know better. He should have learned from the late Lee Atwater, a South Carolinian who used scorched-earth tactics to win the presidency for the governor's father, George Bush. In a death-bed confessional written for Life magazine, Atwater, who died of cancer in 1991, spoke with deep regret of the bitter war he waged against Michael Dukakis, the Democratic nominee.
In a death-bed confessional written for Life magazine, Atwater, who died of cancer in 1991, spoke with deep regret of the bitter war he waged against Michael Dukakis, the Democratic nominee.
"In 1988, fighting Dukakis, I said that I 'would strip the bark off the little bastard' and 'make Willie Horton his running mate.' I am sorry for both statements: the first for its naked cruelty, the second because it makes me sound racist, which I am not.
The issue with Willie Horton was it was used by the Republicans to play the race card; the furlough aspects was merely a the transparent rationale used by the Republicans.
How was it racist? Please tell me you don't think it was racist just because Horton happened to be black.
How was it racist? Please tell me you don't think it was racist just because Horton happened to be black.
The ad was considered racist by many, and even the Bush people distanced themselves from it. It played on the stereotyped fear of a black man raping a white woman. It was directed towards a furlough program introduced, not by Dukakis, but by his Republican predecessor. Let's remember that the Republican Party had a blatantly racist Southern strategy under Reagan. (Reagan started his campaign in Philadelphia, MS, known only as a place where civil rights workers were murdered, and preached States rights there, which at the time was code for segregation.) So, it's no wonder that blacks (and many others) felt the Republicans were playing the race card with that ad. Of course, many white conservatives claimed to believe the ad was fair and had nothing to do with race.
Willie Horton was a dangerous dirty animal bastard, that creepy little smirking weasel Dukakis in all of his slopping slobbering do-gooding moonbeam liberal ***** let him out to go to a cookout and said '"now you be a good little boy and come right home before dark" we all know what the savage bastard did.
They would have used that Ad no matter who it was but it just so happened that Horton was Black so immediately the Left Wing Liberals were all over it with "Their Race Card Garbage" the left wing loves "the race thing" it is their greatest weapon, they scour the news dailey hoping to see a little "Racism" somewhere, we have one guy roght on this forum who is the master of "seeing racism in the white mother f-ckers closet"
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The ad was considered racist by many, and even the Bush people distanced themselves from it. It played on the stereotyped fear of a black man raping a white woman.
And I am asking you: How was it racist? Other than the fact that the criminal happened to be a black man.
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It was directed towards a furlough program introduced, not by Dukakis, but by his Republican predecessor.
You're either being deliberately misleading here, or you just don't know what you are talking about. The furlough program put in by Sargent was not intended to extend to first degree murderers. The MA SJC, in their infinite wisdom, ruled that it applied to murderers as well.
As I said in my original post "People forget that Dukakis vetoed legislation denying furloughs to felons with life sentences." The fact is that the Massachusetts State Legislature, which is not exactly a Conservative think tank, passed legislation to amend the furlough program back to what was originally intended so that convicted felons with life sentences would not be eligible.
Mike Dukakis vetoed that legislation.
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Originally Posted by Patters
Let's remember that the Republican Party had a blatantly racist Southern strategy under Reagan. (Reagan started his campaign in Philadelphia, MS, known only as a place where civil rights workers were murdered, and preached States rights there, which at the time was code for segregation.) So, it's no wonder that blacks (and many others) felt the Republicans were playing the race card with that ad. Of course, many white conservatives claimed to believe the ad was fair and had nothing to do with race.
Just because he was black does not mean it was about race. People like you see race in every single little thing. But mainstream America most certainly does not.
And I am asking you: How was it racist? Other than the fact that the criminal happened to be a black man.
You're either being deliberately misleading here, or you just don't know what you are talking about. The furlough program put in by Sargent was not intended to extend to first degree murderers. The MA SJC, in their infinite wisdom, ruled that it applied to murderers as well.
As I said in my original post "People forget that Dukakis vetoed legislation denying furloughs to felons with life sentences." The fact is that the Massachusetts State Legislature, which is not exactly a Conservative think tank, passed legislation to amend the furlough program back to what was originally intended so that convicted felons with life sentences would not be eligible.
Mike Dukakis vetoed that legislation.
Just because he was black does not mean it was about race. People like you see race in every single little thing. But mainstream America most certainly does not.
Modern day racism is a bit more subtle than the racism of old. What would you consider racist? How would someone from your culture need to be portrayed to make you think that an ad was generalizing about your people, not just a particular person? Who do you think knows better what is offensive to you? People who are of your culture or people who are from a different culture?
As I said, "The issue with Willie Horton was it was used by the Republicans to play the race card; the furlough aspect was merely a the transparent rationale used by the Republicans." There were other ads that addressed the issue more fairly.
Do you support a furlough program for people who kill out of reckless anger, pedophiles, first murderers who plea down the charges, and others who are likely to be punished for something less than first degree murder, or are you using a technicality, like the Republicans did, to cast special judgment on Mike Dukakis?
Thank you for letting me be the judge and, in my judgement, there is nothing racist in that ad. The simple fact that Horton happens to be black does not make it racist.
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Originally Posted by Patters
Modern day racism is a bit more subtle than the racism of old. What would you consider racist? How would someone from your culture need to be portrayed to make you think that an ad was generalizing about your people, not just a particular person? Who do you think knows better what is offensive to you? People who are of your culture or people who are from a different culture?
How is that ad offensive to black people? Again, the entire thesis of your argument seems to be (paraphrasing) "the ad is racist because Horton is black." I see nothing in that ad which stereotypes people or is offensive to any culture.
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Originally Posted by Patters
As I said, "The issue with Willie Horton was it was used by the Republicans to play the race card; the furlough aspect was merely a the transparent rationale used by the Republicans." There were other ads that addressed the issue more fairly.
Do you support a furlough program for people who kill out of reckless anger, pedophiles, first murderers who plea down the charges, and others who are likely to be punished for something less than first degree murder, or are you using a technicality, like the Republicans did, to cast special judgment on Mike Dukakis?
I think a furlough program for non-violent offenders who are within, say, 1 or 2 years of re-entering society is a good idea. I do not consider any of those examples you gave to be non-violent offenders.
There is no "technicality" at issue here. The Massachusetts Legislature passed a bill preventing furloughs to convicted felons in jail for life without possibility of parole. Mike Dukakis vetoed that legislation. That is not a technicality - that is a very serious and deliberate action that deserves to be mentioned when debating whether or not he would be a good President.
Do you think it is a good idea to allow a felon in jail for life without parole a chance to go on a weekend furlough?
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