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***maverick4*** · 10-13-2009, 10:13 AM

Sarah van Gelder: On Columbus Day: Senate Apology Should Be Followed With Action

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It's hard for a country to change its founding mythology, but the U.S. Senate has taken an important step towards accomplishing that. The Senate approved an apology to Native Americans on October 7, as an amendment to the Defense Appropriations bill. The Senate passed an apology resolution also in 2008, but it has yet to be signed into law.

The resolution commends Native people for protecting and stewarding the land for thousands of years. It's an official rejection of the myth that European explorers "discovered" a pristine wilderness, with a few bands of nomadic tribes wandering about living off the fat of the land.

The Europeans told themselves they were a civilizing force, bringing religion and education to uncivilized people, even while they forced Native people from their land, enslaved them, and killed thousands -- some intentionally and some through the spread of disease. The Senate resolution apologizes "for the many instances of violence, maltreatment, and neglect" and expresses regret for the "former wrongs."

***Mabeyitstrue*** · 10-13-2009, 12:54 PM

Good News!

About time we did somthing good in our government, more we do to correct our wrong's the better.

What we did to the Indian's was wrong and i'm glad people are starting to wake up to history, most of what they teach us is was a lie.

Snake Eyes · 10-14-2009, 11:29 AM

What we did to the Indian's was wrong and i'm glad people are starting to wake up to history, most of what they teach us is was a lie.

How do we apologize for driving the Neanderthals into extinction? We didn't do anything to the native americans that they weren't doing to each other, we just did it a lot better.

PatriotsReign · 10-14-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Snake Eyes

What we did to the Indian's was wrong and i'm glad people are starting to wake up to history, most of what they teach us is was a lie.

How do we apologize for driving the Neanderthals into extinction? We didn't do anything to the native americans that they weren't doing to each other, we just did it a lot better.

What happened in America has ocurred throughout history. It doesn't make it right, but it wasn't uncommon at all. What do you thinks happened in South America, Canada and Australia?

Give em all reparations!...........NOT

***Mabeyitstrue*** · 10-14-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Snake Eyes

What we did to the Indian's was wrong and i'm glad people are starting to wake up to history, most of what they teach us is was a lie.

How do we apologize for driving the Neanderthals into extinction? We didn't do anything to the native americans that they weren't doing to each other, we just did it a lot better.

However you want to rationalize it, you can. Excuses are like a-holes everyone has one, whats yours?

Don't feel bad, your not the only arrogant one here. It just shows you know nothing about history.

Your part of the problem just so you know, its this kind of ignorance that breed ignorance in others..........

***Mabeyitstrue*** · 10-14-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by PatriotsReign

What happened in America has ocurred throughout history. It doesn't make it right, but it wasn't uncommon at all. What do you thinks happened in South America, Canada and Australia?

Give em all reparations!...........NOT

So if someone jumps off a cllif, are you going to?

lol

Ya thats what I thought...........its called rationalizing learn about it,its a thinking error dude but you would not no anything about that stuff now would you?

You teach your children to lead by example, not follow the leader.......

***maverick4*** · 10-14-2009, 03:26 PM

PatriotReign's thinking, to use a simple analogy:
If you have a gun, there's nothing wrong with shooting someone on the street and stealing their money, if you can get away with it. If you didn't shoot them, someone else would have!! History is filled with murderers and thieves, so it's okay. Everything is morally right based on might.

PatriotsReign · 10-14-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mabeyitstrue

So if someone jumps off a cllif, are you going to?

lol

Ya thats what I thought...........its called rationalizing learn about it,its a thinking error dude but you would not no anything about that stuff now would you?

You teach your children to lead by example, not follow the leader.......

Can you interprate what you wrote above for me fella? Are you saying you support reparations?

What does "its called rationalizing learn about it,its a thinking error dude but you would not no anything about that stuff now would you?" mean because it makes no sense to a literate person.

PatriotsReign · 10-14-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by maverick4

PatriotReign's thinking, to use a simple analogy:
If you have a gun, there's nothing wrong with shooting someone on the street and stealing their money, if you can get away with it. If you didn't shoot them, someone else would have!! History is filled with murderers and thieves, so it's okay. Everything is morally right based on might.

Ok genius...tell us what YOU think should be done about ALL the countries the were conquered/raped/pillaged and exploited? Because if you think something should be done, we need to know WHAT you think should happen. and whatever you believe should be done, it MUST apply to ALL countries that have had that happen since the beginning of history....good luck with that.

Details please...maybe THEN we can have a discussion.

Your analogy is a joke and a lie in reference to ME pal. Never once since our discussion began have I ever said it wasn't wrong. I specifically stated the "right or wrong" part wasn't relevant to our discussion. but YOU started at point "A" and steared the debate to issues YOU wanted to debate. Guess what Mav....THAT WAS WRONG OF YOU TO DO. WILL YOU ADMIT THAT?

I'm not the only member hear who is onto you Mav. You have continuously and purposefully brought threads off topic to areas that you love to debate....

Namely;

Exploitation
Racism
The downfalls of Capitalism
Apologies for Middle Eastern, Native Americans and African-Americans
The evils of America
Conspiracies of the Elite (like you're a Marxist or something

)

You do not have the right to take thread topics to unrelated issues. If a thread is not about one of the above issue, you are not allowed to discuss them in it. You do this over and over and no one knows why....so please tell us?

There is nothing wrong with those topics, "If" that's what the thread is about. If I had the time or disire, I could show you countless times you bring up racism even when a thread isn't about racism.

Why are you so obsessed with these topics?

Mrs.PatsFanInVa · 10-14-2009, 03:44 PM

Conquering countries could just say they were sorry, couldn't they?

Reperations are almost impossible after any period of time has gone by - but apologies are always acceptable - and generally welcomed.

Admissions of wrong-doings almost always go a long way towards repairing relations.