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Old 10-16-2009, 01:45 AM   #21
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The enviros have blocked nukes not any other considerations while the rest of the world takes advantage of nuke plants.
Some parts of the world still hunt whales. What's your point?

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Shale is different, Bakken does have a great deal of light crude >1T barrels.
Shale is what is found at Bakken. Please link to where you're getting your information that there is any crude in Dakota. If not, you're wrong again.

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The Russians are moving ahead at full speed, why do you think they did the stunt of planting the Russian flag on the seabed at the North pole? Why aren't we exploring to determine who much oil there is, we are doing fine extracting oil from the North slope again the leftist are blocking development.
It's interesting that you trust Russian initiative when it's convenient for your argument, and dismiss it out of hand when it's not.

They can't have any idea how much oil is at the North Pole, because no one has bothered yet, as the cost to even study it is astronomical. The Russians are simply scrambling to lay claim in case there is anything. More proof they're desperate in the face of their own dwindling reserves.

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Coal in the US is plentiful enough to last a few hundred years. You are flat wrong on this point. Coal Plants with the proper technology are clean, and the technology for coal-gas liquification goes back to German yin WW2.
There is no "proper technology" regarding "clean coal." Period, end of story. Clean coal is a myth, and a marketing ploy for the industry. That's why Obama abandoned such a ridiculous mantra within a month of his administration. He finally researched the truth.

But, if you want to strip-mine miles of U.S. landscape and ramp up coal production (which won't power current vehicles) and hasten CO2 emissions, ... well, that speaks volumes of your anti-environment agenda. Right in line with your RW heroes, Reagan and Bush.

Coal production should be shrunk, not expanded. It is disgusting, and the sequestration process is a pipedream that has only been proposed, not implemented. That's because it's incredibly expensive, and still not "clean."

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The biggest problem is cutting off access to the resources and the insane MMGW cult. Billions could die as a result of our stupidity not due to a lack of resources. Our current MMGW obsession will kill millions in the third world, but they are mostly poor and black and brown and don't hang out in Manhattan or the Cape, so f'em right?
It's called renewable energy for a reason. Man-made climate change is a real phenomenon, regardless of what Exxon scientists want loyalists like yourself to believe. As for your last sentence, you're preaching to the choir. Unfortunately, it's your ilk who has a 'f***'em" approach to black and brown people. Sorry, that one's not gonna fly. Nice try.

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BTW the Swedes have done studies on abiotic oil and as I pointed out we have evidence of non biological sources of hydrocarbon fuels.
Look at you. Still desperately clinging to the abiotic theory. Again, you pointed to a Russian study from the 50s. You sure do love those Russians when it suits you. ... Long debunked, which we covered. So now you're trying to punt to the Swedes. Anything to cling to the pipe dream that there's plenty of oil out there, which undermines your entire premise here, as you've spent all this time insisting there plenty of alternatives.

Swedes then, hmmm? How about a link?
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Old 10-16-2009, 08:24 AM   #22
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Bakken may have shale also but it has billions of barrels of light crude that is being recovered from test wells NOW. One doesn't drill for shale:

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BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) - Dozens of fruitful wells beneath the rich Bakken shale in North Dakota continue to fuel a hunch among oilmen and geologists that another vast crude-bearing formation may be buried in the state's vast oil patch.
Lynn Helms, director of the state Department of Mineral Resources, said recent production results from 103 newly tapped wells in the Three Forks-Sanish formation show many that are "as good or better" than some in the Bakken, which lies two miles under the surface in western North Dakota and holds billions of barrels of oil.
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Reston, VA - North Dakota and Montana have an estimated 3.0 to 4.3 billion barrels of undiscovered, technically recoverable oil in an area known as the Bakken Formation.
A U.S. Geological Survey assessment, released April 10, shows a 25-fold increase in the amount of oil that can be recovered compared to the agency's 1995 estimate of 151 million barrels of oil.

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Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains
: lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world more
: than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush
: mandated its extraction. Three companies have been chosen
: to lead the way. Test drilling has already begun

: Five months ago, the U.S. Energy Department announced the
: results of a land survey

: They reported this stunning news: We have more oil inside our
: borders, than all the other proven reserves on earth.

: Here are the official estimates: 8-times as much oil as Saudi
: Arabia 18-times as much oil as Iraq 21-times as much oil as
: Kuwait 22-times as much oil as Iran 500-times as much oil
: as Yemen €And it€™s all right here in the Western United
: States.

: James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says, We've
: got more oil in this very compact area than the entire
: Middle East.


: More than 2 TRILLION barrels. Untapped.

: That's more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil
: in the world today, reports The Denver Post.


So much for the lack of resources, Peak oil may happen in the KSA, in the rest o fthe world?

Only for the folks with an agenda.

As for the MMGW, so sad you lack of science education is evident so I don't like exposing it all the time.
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Searching the internet for information you want to be true is very easy.
I agree - and you have done a very good job of demonstrating that statement. Which is why I go with everything I have already been taught and read and studied while studying this very subject.
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Regardless, you declaring that there is "nothing to debate" is laughable at best, and embarrassing for you at worst. Especially when you display one convenient quote from a site like "americanindependence.com," which also promotes biofuels. Oops.
Speaking of laughable, what would you call it when someone criticizes my reference website then gives some references of his own from "oildrum.com" and "azom.com"?

My article debunks just about everything you have quoted in your articles and it is clear you are deadset in your current line of thinking and have no interest in reading or hearing the opposing point of view.
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We do? In what? where? At what cost?

Gonna call bullshyt on that one...


TOXINS in the SOIL, GROUNDWATER, and AIR!

Why is this topic always discussed omitting that factor? Is all that matters to people the zero-sum mythology that the oil corporations feed the dim-witted pseudo-scientists? This "debate" is a classic example of the straw man put up by BigOil to distract everyone and keep them occupied with these false (or true...whatever) premises.

The facts remain that underground petroleum storage tanks have been leaking into the local groundwater supplies all over the world, contaminating drinking water with VOC's, heavy metals and other hazardous materials. Urban areas have a much higher rate of cardio-pulmonary disease in children and adults because of exhaust from the combustion of fossil fuels by vehicles and power generation stations.

Sure, the US is ahead in cleaning up emissions, but no one else is. A Manhattan Project for renewable Energy is needed NOW, but the government, and Obama in particular, is too busy and indecisive dealing with other issues that FOLLOW the issue of not only energy independence but energy SAFETY. The cost of energy cannot be discussed in the vacuum of "price per BTU's". There are health and social costs to the continued burning of fossil fuels.

Keep debating reserve supplies and breeder reactors. Have at it with foolish polar bear counting and other nit-picking and rhetorical gymnastics. You're all just pissing in the wind and the oil companies are laughing their arse off!
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We will go broke trying for 'renewables' o replace hydrocarbons, fantasy land sounds nice but it isn't real. Humans standard of living is tied to energy. The solution you advocate assures starvation and global poverty. Die of cancer in your 80's or starvation in your teens take your pick.
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We will go broke trying for 'renewables' o replace hydrocarbons, fantasy land sounds nice but it isn't real. Humans standard of living is tied to energy. The solution you advocate assures starvation and global poverty. Die of cancer in your 80's or starvation in your teens take your pick.

Fantasy land? Aren't you one of the protagonists of planetary generation of hydrocarbon fuel sources? That's funny. You even referred to Titan as an example. Shale oil reserves in Wyoming and Dakota? I wonder who's behind that waste of money?

My post about the toxicity of continued use of fossil fuel usually kills a goofy thread like this one, but not for you, huh? All you have in response is doom-and-gloom scare rhetoric like "It can't be done!" or "Your ideas will kill us all!" with nothing to support your weak outlook on the future. There must be lots of forward thinkers like you in the upper levels of the government.
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