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I hadn't seen that poll. Clearly you're point is correct. What I will say to it though, is what I usally say regarding polls, and that is that you have to take them at face value. A generic question about wanting a public option makes for an easy yes. If people were polled with the information regarding what a public option could, and would mean, by way of cost, and reduction in care, they might not toss in a generic yes. It's why polls are what they are.

As for Italy, if you think taking your husbands bed sheets home, and washing them yourself is good healthcare, then Italy is for you. If you like that your dad has a pooped filled bed pan, and after asking a nurse if she could change it, she says "you change it, he's your father", then Italycare is for you. If you like none of your meds to be covered when you're old, with multiple ailments, and trying to survive on your small pension, then Italy is for you. How about loosing your wife, and having to drive her corpse home from the hospital, in the passenger seat of your car? Yup, that's Italy. Oh, how about doing chemo, having the machine break down, and the hospital telling you it'll be 6 months before it's fixed. Well, then you know where to go. Needless to say, the running joke in Italy, is that you go to the hospital when you're ready to die. Now, I'm from southern Italy, and I'd venture to guess that the more modern north has better care. Who knows. Some say yes, others I know say no. Most people with the means, pay for private hospital care. The point is though, that not a lot of people can afford that.

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