sdaniels7114

'cause ya know links are for losers. Whoever shouts the loudest and most often is right. Obviously the fact that some people die sooner than others has no bearing on their health.

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"People in this country are extremely happy with their care."
This a flat out lie. If you ever have the misfortune of getting sick, you will understand what I am talking about. Wait until you have to deal with the stress of not only being ill, but then having to wrestle with these cack-sucking insurance companies about "what is covered" and "preexisting conditions". Also the idea that M.D.'s can practice medicine without being told what to do and what to order by the insurance companies is another 100% lie. He who has the money (the insurance cos.) make the rules in the USA. They do not have your best interests at heart. And the idea of making money off of other people's misfortunes is disgusting and morally depraved. Only in America.
700,000 bankruptcies per year due to illness in this country. You think this is good care? The ignorance of Americans knows no bounds.
Wake the phukk up!

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70,000 a year quite frankly doesn't strike me as huge number when you consider our population. On a promising note I see those 70,000 as people whom we have to make health care more attainable for, attainable. We are also in a great position to clarify guidelines for coverage and conditions. I am sure the insurance companies are shakin in the boots at the thought of going under. Now is the perfect time to establish uniform coverage guidelines to protect the consumer. Creat a plan subsiidized by the government, that makes it attainable and affordable. Allow the insurance companies to compete on price, but stay within guidelines of coverage that protect the consumer.....

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That's 700,000! And it's unacceptable.
Quote from The Washington Post, "In terms of finance, we force 700,000 Americans into bankruptcy each year because of medical bills. In France, the number of medical bankruptcies is zero. Britain: zero. Japan: zero. Germany: zero."
By T.R. Reid -- Five Myths About Health Care in the Rest of the World - washingtonpost.com

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I'd like to think that 80+% kinda proves my point. People love the care they recieve. What they hate, like me, is the cost.

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
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Real World

Apple is one of those morons that constantly repeats the same old tired lines they heard on their favorite radio show, or read in their favorite blog. Life expectancy includes car accidents, homicides, drug overdoses, etc. Furthermore, life expectancy is directly related to lifestyle. We are one of, if not the, most obese country on the planet. HC is not going to lose weight for people, nor is it going to eat better for them. When people point to life expectancy as a measure of how good the HC is on a developed country, they don't deserve to have my time wasted on them.

hahahaha, the WHO rankings! hahahaha We've been down that road in here pal. Next thing you know you'll be talking about the Health Index.

Cost, cost, cost... when people start discussing ways to control those, with respect to care, then you'll know they are sincere in their efforts for reform. If they are spinning the usual talking point, then you know they are simply propogating the position of their favorite party.

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Real World

That's cuz the government picks up the tab in those places. Clearly we need to shake up HC in this country. I pay $6k a year for my insurance and I think that's ridiculous. At the same time, I don't want Italian style HC in this country. There has to be legitimate reform, but niether side is interested in that.

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
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RW, I know you're a young guy and you've probably never been seriously ill. I would like to see the demographics on this poll. That's the thing about our healthcare system, yah it seems wonderful if you're healthy, but if you ever get seriously ill, you find out just how bad it is. I'll bet you most of those 700,000 had health insurance and thought they would be ok. Have you ever tried to get paid by an insurance company? How about the statistic that 66% of the american people want the public option?

BTW, I am a healthcare provider and have seen it all in my 20 years experience in doing so. I'll bet you haven't spent 1% of your life involved in the health system, so you may be speaking about things you have zero conception of.

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I've never seen where 66% want the public option. Thats news to me.

I've had my hand operated on twice, my brother is a disabelded vet with MS, and my extended family has lived here, but died in there return to Italy, after trying to retire there. So I've had some experience with healthcare, but I;m certainly no expert. I can say though, that I;d take our care, as would my entire family, over anything italy has to offer. Also, my bro would loves his BCBS versus what the VA was giving him. My bro loves the care he recieves, but its not cheap. Over $1,100 a month it costs. Gross. The care in this country is the some of the best. The costs is what's disgusting. I want a package that controls cost, but doesn't reduce the quality of care. My bro's life rests on the quality he recieves. As does every citizens. In Italy my bro wouldn't get what he gets now, and according to the doctor he spoke with from England, he wouldn't there either. So this diarea about gubmit care is just that. However, the view of others that the the status quo is ok, smells as well. We need real reform. Not a gubmit takeover, and not the status quo. We need to work on why an aspirin in a hostpital costs a weeks pay. Cuz if its going to cost a weeks pay in the future, what difference does it make who pays the bill? The end result will be rationed care, or people like me paying twice as much, as I do now. Once for me, and once for some gubmit montrosity of a welfare program.

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Run DMC

Here's a link for the 66% favoring the public poll:
New York Times/CBS News Poll: Health-Care Overhaul - The New York Times
Thanks for your honesty in the last post. So, can you tell us more about the HC system in Italy? I'm curious.

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