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Barbara Lee Introduces A Bill To End The War In Afghanistan
BARBARA LEE: First, our nation is in grieving, we're all mourning, we're angry; there are a range of emotions taking place. Myself personally, I am also grieving and I believe fully and firmly that the Congress of the United States is the only legislative body that can say, "Let's pause for a moment...and let's look at using some restraint before we rush to action." Because military action can lead to an escalation and spiral out of control. So, why I voted no, was one, the president already has the authority to execute a military action. He doesn't need Congress; under the War Powers Act he has that authority. But Congress is the people's house, and the Congress is responsible for providing checks and balances, and you cannot just allow the administration to run ahead with a strategy without reporting back and without having some oversight.
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Re: Barbara Lee Introduces A Bill To End The War In Afghanistan
She doesn't understand we're purposely there, like we are in Iraq, for the next 20 years.
We WANT instability in Afganistan and no strong government or national defense there.
We want it to be an opium-producing wasteland, which we can go into whenever we need to, since it's strategically valuable close to China, India, Russia, and the Middle East.
Re: Barbara Lee Introduces A Bill To End The War In Afghanistan
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Originally Posted by maverick4
She doesn't understand we're purposely there, like we are in Iraq, for the next 20 years.
We WANT instability in Afganistan and no strong government or national defense there.
We want it to be an opium-producing wasteland, which we can go into whenever we need to, since it's strategically valuable close to China, India, Russia, and the Middle East.
Why would we want it to be an unstable opium producing wasteland. What's the endgame to that?
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Why would we want it to be an unstable opium producing wasteland. What's the endgame to that?
No end game per se, but having a weak country that can't defend itself right next to China, India, Russia, and the Middle East, is extremely valuable to us considering the energy pipeline geopolitical game, not to mention convenient access for our military should we need to be there in the future.
If Afganistan became strong militarily and government-wise, they could ally with their neighbors, and that entire region could potentially shut us out as they build pipelines through Afganistan.
On September 7 a Russian analyst, Sergey Mikheev, was quoted as saying that the major purpose of the Pentagon moving into Afghanistan and of NATO waging its first war outside of Europe was to exert influence on and domination over a vast region of South and Central Asia that has brought Western military forces - troops, warplanes, surveillance capabilities - to the borders of China, Iran and Russia.
Mikheev claims that "Afghanistan is a stage in the division of the
world after the bipolar system failed" and the U.S. and NATO "wanted to consolidate their grip on Eurasia...and deployed a lot of troops there," adding that as a pretext for doing so "The Taliban card was played, although nobody had been interested in the Taliban before." [1]
A compatriot of the writer, Andrei Konurov, earlier this month agreed with the contention that Taliban was and remains more excuse for than cause of the United States and its NATO allies deploying troops and taking over air and other bases in Afghanistan and the Central Asian nations of Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. In the case of Kyrgyzstan alone, there were estimates at the beginning of this year that as many as 200,000 U.S. and NATO troops have transited through the Manas air base en route to Afghanistan.
Konurov argued that "With Washington's non-intervention if not downright encouragement, the Talibs are destabilizing Central Asia and the Uyghur regions of China as well as seeking inroads into Iran. This is the explanation behind the recent upheaval of Uyghur separatism and to an extent behind the activity of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan." [2]
Re: Barbara Lee Introduces A Bill To End The War In Afghanistan
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Originally Posted by maverick4
No end game per se, but having a weak country that can't defend itself right next to China, India, Russia, and the Middle East, is extremely valuable to us considering the energy pipeline geopolitical game, not to mention convenient access for our military should we need to be there in the future.
If Afghanistan became strong militarily and government-wise, they could ally with their neighbors, and that entire region could potentially shut us out as they build pipelines through Afghanistan.
They are 100 years out infrastructure wise. I think we are trying to harness the opium. The opium trade other than destroying American families. Provides and launders money that gets sent to operations like Al Queda. Russia is engaged in talks with Germany over a pipeline between the two countries. I don't believe that Afghanistan is of any consequence to the geopolitical game. Nor do I believe our sole interest there is in keeping our foot in the sand so to speak. It's the opium and the money derived and diluted by it globally. Why would we want that trade to continue unless we were somewhere in control of it.
Re: Barbara Lee Introduces A Bill To End The War In Afghanistan
[QUOTE=alvinnf;1538612It's the opium and the money derived and diluted by it globally. Why would we want that trade to continue unless we were somewhere in control of it.[/QUOTE]
Did you bother to read the link I provided?
As I said before, Afganistan is geopolitically important to the US. They look at how the British used Afganistan to grow drugs and pump it into India and China 2 centuries ago. A nationally weak Afganistan in shambles, with us controlling and pimping the drugs, is used to check the growing powers of India, China, and Russia.
Next are you going to try to claim Iraq isn't geopolitically important to us either?
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Re: Barbara Lee Introduces A Bill To End The War In Afghanistan
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Originally Posted by maverick4
Did you bother to read the link I provided?
As I said before, Afghanistan is geopolitically important to the US. They look at how the British used Afghanistan to grow drugs and pump it into India and China 2 centuries ago. A nationally weak Afghanistan in shambles, with us controlling and pimping the drugs, is used to check the growing powers of India, China, and Russia.
Next are you going to try to claim Iraq isn't geopolitically important to us either?
They are entitled to their opinion. We are trying to get ourselves in the middle of the drug trade to ensure it's money distribution. Do they kill two birds with one stone geopolitically being there yes. But it's not the only reason. The drug trade is funding terrorist organizations, they are following the money. They are not using the drug trade as a cover up to spy on China. Why in god's name, China just bought us ought. They could monetize our debt, but hey wont because they'll keep manufacturing cheap goods and we'll do our part by providing a marketplace. Us having a stake in Afghanistan is not getting us a seat at the table with Russia, China and Germany as they forge a looming pipeline deal. http://kabul.usembassy.gov/media/afg...acts-final.pdf
As a side note we both collectively spelled Afghanastan wrong four times, well 5 now.
Barbara Lee Introduces A Bill To End The War In Afghanistan
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