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Gumby, it's bad now because since the late '70s a legal process has been set up for these kinds of situations. We have secret national security courts that can order wiretaps. Bush did not need to assume dictatorial powers. What Bush did is extremely dangerous and a horrendous example for the young Iraqi democracy. So far, Bush has shown that you can spy on people, torture people, and deny people due process in a democracy. I don't know what your idea of freedom and democracy is, but what Bush is doing is pretty unprecedented in modern American history.
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... I could also make an argument that if you are talking on a cell phone you should not have an expectation of privacy...
I think I as a conservative DO HAVE CONCERNS about the constitution and Bill of Rights....
...AGAIN GIVE ME ONE INSTANCE of anyones rights being violated WHO IS NOT A TERRORIST or NOT AN FOREIGNER????? And if they aren't an American and arent on our soil WHY DO YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM RIGHTS TO KILL OTHER AMERICANS????...
The Constitution says NOTHING about rights being garanteed to "Americans". It it the law for ANYONE in the United States. The rights covered under the Constitution are not limited to citizens of the US.
Respect the law or leave.
Last edited by wistahpatsfan; 12-19-2005 at 08:28 PM..
These wiretaps are, in my opinion, the first clearly impeachable crime that Bush has committed, but of course the whole Republican leadership is so corrupt that they will protect their house of cards as long as they can.
There's millions of us out here, we put Bush in the White House, TWICE.
Actually, seeing how corrupt Bush is, I really do wonder if the elections were fixed. At any rate, you should be ashamed of yourself for putting a freedom hating, Constitution ignoring, democracy manipuating, liar in the White House. I have no doubt that he'll go down as one of our worst presidents. Already, independent polls have him ranked the lowest of the last 10 presidents.
A couple of weeks ago posted something from Doug Thompson, saying that Bush said that the Constitution is just a "Goddamned Piece of Paper". Maybe his view is such, but equally disturbing is an article in the NYT this AM that the domestic spying, it is not clear whether or not this was done with our without the permission of the Court.
F.B.I. Watched Activist Groups, New Files Show
By ERIC LICHTBLAU
WASHINGTON, Dec. 19 - Counterterrorism agents at the Federal Bureau of Investigation have conducted numerous surveillance and intelligence-gathering operations that involved, at least indirectly, groups active in causes as diverse as the environment, animal cruelty and poverty relief, newly disclosed agency records show.
Bottom line here folks is that he admits to breaking the law, at a time when something like 99% of all FISA applications are approved by the Court. What is the sense of not doing it legally, except to prove you are above the law and maybe the Constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper. The guise of hiding behind terrorism is getting old, just do things right and above the law, stop blaming the press and stop all the bull**** just do things right. Maybe then something could be done to get this country moving in the right direction and stop the distrust between the branches of government.
“We like to say that dependability is more important than ability,” Bill Belichickism....
Amazing how liberals have totally abandonded any semblance of rational thinking!
On 2nd thought, maybe it's not that amazing.
BUSH IS TURNING THEM INTO A PARTY OF BABBLING SPLUTTERING MORONS, THEY ALL LOOK UNDER THEIR BED AT NIGHT FOR A "MIDGET CIA AGENT WITH A LITTLE TAPE RECORDER"
BARBARA STRIESAND WON'T ALLOW "CABLE TV' IN HER "PALACE", SHE THINKS THE FBI IS WATCHING HER THROUGH IT.
GO GET EM BUSH.
AL GORE CRYS HIMSELF TO SLEEP EVERY NIGHT.
FONDA KERRY THREW HIS MEDALS AWAY BEFORE HE DIDN'T THROW HIS MEDALS AWAY.
CLINTON KILLED KATHLEEN WILEYS CAT
MIKE DUKAKIS WEARS PANTY HOSE
JIMMY CARTER PLAYS WITH DOLLS
GEORGE W BUSH CAN FLY A FIGHTER PLANE
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS FALLING APART (SNIVELING SORE LOSERS)
This lawyer is pretty much summing it up. What should be most obvious by now is that the Bush base defending these unconstitutional actions are traitors - plain and simple.
True conservatives, wake the eff up! Its time to look to the libertarians and leave these George "Benedict Arnold" Bushes behind before its too late. I don't care who you think you are or what you think you know, there is nothing that allows for the absolute destruction of checks and balances upon which this great nation was built. Nothing!