Kristin Maguire - Right wing Chair of SC Board of Education, porn writer

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[PatsFanInVa]

Originally Posted by patsfan13

I see no quotes from Maguire talking about banning porn for adults?

They link to her writing but no quotes of her attitude towards porn for adults.

I presume she doens't want porn in the classroom, hopefully you don't object to that.

Nope. Evidently she's a simple advocate of abstinence-only education, and general supporter of the evangelical agenda, but is a member of the pornography-consuming evangelical wing of the Republican party.

Just your basic porn-writing home-schooling public-school-board-chairing, sex-education opposing, abstinence-only-promoting education professional.

No conflict there.

What precisely does one advocate, where all public school kids must learn to abstain from sex until marriage -- while writing steaming fiction about extra-marital sex? Is it in fact the cause of all the world's ills, or a whole lotta fun?

That's really unfair as we all know. All of us hold and espouse sexual attitudes. All of us also have our own private lives. Finally, all of us interact to some degree or another with the rest of us.

Maguire is just such a person. Were she to say "you know, people should be taught how to have safer sex, because we all know that things happen, that people desire sex, and that sex is a natural part of our humanity that inconveniently begins to feel very compelling several years before we are truly able to deal with the consequences of our actions, while we are still teens," then it would make sense that her writing depicts extramarital sex as enjoyable and a natural part of life.

Her writing, however, is in contradiction to her actions, which assume that an adult urging abstinence will keep a teen from having sex.

There's no shame in writing erotica, and there's only ineptitude in urging abstinence-only education. Is there a conflict if one is doing both? I think so. I think abstinence-only education depends on the notion that morality, not results, should be the driver of public policy. The results achieved by abstinence-only education do not validate the practice.

Her own individual morality appears to be that there is nothing truly wrong with at least writing and reading about sex for pleasure without regard to marital status... and she is certainly not only right in this perspective, but also entitled to hold this perspective even if it is wrong.

At most we can say she likes to think about it and get others to think about it; yet she takes a stance that young people should not think about it, and that those who are doing it should not be taught to do it more safely.

Not quite the level of hypocrisy you're seeking, I realize. Me, I'd have a problem with someone who writes all about extramarital sex urging that we all ignore the possibility of disease transmission and unwanted pregnancy with the idiotic explanation that all you have to do is not have the kind of sex I love to write about.

But I may differ from you in the solution to such a dilemma: To me it makes sense that she writes about sex for pleasure because sex does feel good. It's what people really do, and they get very happy sometimes when they do it. It's even better when you get to fantasize the outcomes, where everything is perfect. That's fine, in fact, healthy even.

But when you realize that, you should also realize that in the real world there ARE consequences. Knowing that at the age of puberty we get exponentially more interested in sex, and knowing and treating as healthy the sex drive itself, an educator should understand (if anybody does) that teens will be interested just as adults are. And an educator should recognize across the society what the outcome of that interest will be: teens having sex, getting pregnant, and spreading communicable diseases.

You can provide better outcomes for more people by teaching them how to have sex more safely. You cannot do this through abstinence-only education, if measured by outcomes. Kids who get abstinence-only education have inferior outcomes to those who are taught, for example, the benefits of birth control and condoms.

Shouldn't she get this, especially if by her own actions we realize that she recognizes the power of the sex urge for pleasure, rather than as an expression of a marriage vow? Whether one is married or single, whether one has children or not, sex feels good, and that's why you have it. She knows this, as witnessed by her writing.

It would seem it would be reflected in her policy advocacy as well.

But then, that is policy for the masses, not her own kids - who are home-schooled.

PFnV

[DarrylS]

Originally Posted by patsfan13

I see no quotes from Maguire talking about banning porn for adults?

They link to her writing but no quotes of her attitude towards porn for adults.

I presume she doens't want porn in the classroom, hopefully you don't object to that.

No guilt by association here, the duplicity and hypocrisy is so evident...

[reflexblue]

Originally Posted by Fogbuster

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But..... but ..... butt ..... I thought all you "liberal" types liked porn?!!??


Wag the dog.

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I'm getting my dose right now, along with some spliff.

[patsfan13]

Originally Posted by DarrylS

No guilt by association here, the duplicity and hypocrisy is so evident...

Where has Maguire ever spoken about porn. Simple question since she is being framed as a anti porn crusader.

I take it by your reply she has made no such public pronouncements.

Sanford while a slimeball who should be removed from office has nothing to do with Maguire, who I understand has resigned.

[DarrylS]

Originally Posted by patsfan13

Where has Maguire ever spoken about porn. Simple question since she is being framed as a anti porn crusader.

I take it by your reply she has made no such public pronouncements.

Sanford while a slimeball who should be removed from office has nothing to do with Maguire, who I understand has resigned.

Kristin Maguire = Bridget Keeney, she fled in the wake of this scandal to Canada...

If you write porn, you advocate it... it is not like she wrote it and then said do not read it... she is a contributor to Literotica.com

[PatsFanInVa]

Originally Posted by patsfan13

Where has Maguire ever spoken about porn. Simple question since she is being framed as a anti porn crusader.

I take it by your reply she has made no such public pronouncements.

Sanford while a slimeball who should be removed from office has nothing to do with Maguire, who I understand has resigned.

You take it correctly. I don't have Maguire anti-porn statements on record. I do have the facts as stated above on record: She is evidently an advocate of creating universally accessible erotica, and an opponent of teaching real-world consequences and how to most safely engage in the behavior she writes about -- if one chooses to engage in that behavior.

As to what she has to do with Sanford, didn't he appoint her?

PFnV

[patsfan13]

Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa

You take it correctly. I don't have Maguire anti-porn statements on record. I do have the facts as stated above on record: She is evidently an advocate of creating universally accessible erotica,

Fair enough, what does that have to do with her opinions on schools and curricula?

and an opponent of teaching real-world consequences and how to most safely engage in the behavior she writes about -- if one chooses to engage in that behavior.

Or she feels it is the job of parents to teach those behaviors rather than the state. Particularly when it comes to the issue of when and how to present this information.

As to what she has to do with Sanford, didn't he appoint her?

PFnV

Did she have an affair with Sanford or have knowledge of his affair? Did she make a public pronouncement on his behavior?

[Mrs.PatsFanInVa]

Originally Posted by patsfan13

Or she feels it is the job of parents to teach those behaviors rather than the state. Particularly when it comes to the issue of when and how to present this information.

Fair enough, as well. I take it that this means you're ok with pornograpy, right? And you're not one of those people who believe it is harmful or immoral?

It's a little strange to be ok with an educator who has a say in what gets taught in the public school system who moonlights as a writer of pornography, but not much different than a homosexual being appointed School Czar. Right for Left, Tit for Tat. If you're ok with one you oughta be ok with the other.

I'm down with that premise - I presume you are, too.

[patsfan13]

Originally Posted by Mrs.PatsFanInVa

Fair enough, as well. I take it that this means you're ok with pornograpy, right? And you're not one of those people who believe it is harmful or immoral?

Well porn didn't do T Bundy a lot of good. IF a person is healthy it shouldn't be much of a problem. However in many circumstances there can certainly be problems. There is some thought that the amount of porn young males are exposed to have led to a coarsening of how they view women.

Then there is a matter of the content, is the material portraying abusive or sadistic behavior? Does it portray rape? Does it portray child abuse?

So there isn't a simple answer to your question. Perhaps that is why many societies have kept it in the closet to protect from the type of volent material being distributed these days.

It's a little strange to be ok with an educator who has a say in what gets taught in the public school system who moonlights as a writer of pornography, but not much different than a homosexual being appointed School Czar. Right for Left, Tit for Tat. If you're ok with one you oughta be ok with the other.

I'm down with that premise - I presume you are, too.

I think your formulation is overly simplistic, which is common for lib

Did Maguire provide porn materials to students? Was she approached by a person who was being shown porn by an adult and not take steps to stop the abuse?

You are trying to comparing apples to oranges.


Jennings in addition to not protecting a student who was being abused by an older man, has praised the founder of NAMBLA a group dedicated to promoting pedophile abuse of children and defining it as normal. This is shocking to a person who is supposed to protect the safety of children.

Jennings is a homosexual activist, I am not aware of Maguire being an activist promoting porn and asking it be placed in schools.

For anyone who spends even an hour on the internet looking into Jennings’ speeches and writings, his nonchalant attitude about an older homosexual man having sex with a boy should not be a surprise. What is surprising is that no one is mentioning reports that Jennings publicly stated that he was inspired by one of the biggest promoters of pedophilia in the country—Harry Hay. Hay actively promoted sex between men and boys and supported the North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). Transcripts of a GLSEN conference in NYC on October 25, 1997 indicate that Jennings said, “one of the people that always inspired me is Harry Hay.” Jennings also edited a book called Becoming Visible: A Reader in Gay and Lesbian History for High School and College Students which included a biographical sketch on Harry Hay. One of GLSEN’s Education Department resources also lists a work on Harry Hay.

Equating the two is RIDICULOUS.