65% of Doctors Oppose Obamacare - New England Patriots Forums

***patsfan13*** · 10-01-2009, 06:29 PM

45% would consider leaving medical practice,

[quote]It also calls into question whether an overhaul is even doable; 72% of the doctors polled disagree with the administration's claim that the government can cover 47 million more people with better-quality care at lower cost./quote]

Investors.com - 45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul

Wildo7 · 10-01-2009, 07:35 PM

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Mrs.PatsFanInVa · 10-01-2009, 09:39 PM

There's a poll for everything and everything has a poll.

From The New England Journal of Medicine - which is most likely more reliable and probably has much better access to physicians than does something called "Investors.Com")

The final sample included 5157 physicians, but 221 of them had an incorrect or incomplete address or were deceased. Of the remaining 4936 physicians, 2130 returned the survey — a response rate of 43.2%. Women made up a smaller proportion of respondents than of nonrespondents (26.8% vs. 31.2%, P<0.001), and the average age of respondents was 1 year older than that of nonrespondents. There were no significant differences associated with practice location (census division or urban vs. rural setting), practice type, or specialty group. There were no significant differences in the characteristics of respondents to different survey waves (for details, see the Supplementary Appendix).

Overall, a majority of physicians (62.9%) supported public and private options (see Panel A of graph). Only 27.3% supported offering private options only. Respondents — across all demographic subgroups, specialties, practice locations, and practice types — showed majority support (>57.4%) for the inclusion of a public option (see Table 1). Primary care providers were the most likely to support a public option (65.2%); among the other specialty groups, the “other” physicians — those in fields that generally have less regular direct contact with patients, such as radiology, anesthesiology, and nuclear medicine — were the least likely to support a public option, though 57.4% did so. Physicians in every census region showed majority support for a public option, with percentages in favor ranging from 58.9% in the South to 69.7% in the Northeast. Practice owners were less likely than nonowners to support a public option (59.7% vs. 67.1%, P<0.001), but a majority still supported it. Finally, there was also majority support for a public option among AMA members (62.2%).

Doctors on Coverage ? Physicians’ Views on a New Public Insurance Option and Medicare Expansion | Health Care Reform 2009

***patsfan13*** · 10-01-2009, 10:09 PM

Actually the Poll was conducted scientifically by Investors Business Daily, THe 'poll' you cite was a voluntary survey, sort of like a internet poll with no scientific sampling, weak attempt try again.

Wildo7 · 10-01-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

Actually the Poll was conducted scientifically by Investors Business Daily, THe 'poll' you cite was a voluntary survey, sort of like a internet poll with no scientific sampling, weak attempt try again.

Have you ever made a post that wasn't laughably idiotic?

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The IBD/TIPP Poll was conducted by mail the past two weeks, with 1,376 practicing physicians chosen randomly throughout the country taking part. Responses are still coming in, and doctors' positions on related topics — including the impact of an overhaul on senior care, medical school applications and drug development — will be covered later in this series

Oh look, pf13 is talking out of his ass again:

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Of the 1,376 physicians who answered our survey,

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnal...aspx?id=506407

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For those who haven't read the first two installments, the IBD/TIPP Poll was conducted by mail, with questionnaires sent out Aug. 28 to 25,600 doctors nationwide.

Please, link us to the methodology and how this whopping 1,376 mailed in response from a sample size of 25,600 (probably all the registered Republican Doctors, nice "involuntary response rate" btw) is more "scientific" than the 2130 of 5157 that the New England Journal of Medicine used following a transparent scientific methodology....

Meanwhile, we can contrast the lack of transparency in the agenda-driven articl you dug up from rightwingnuts.com with this:

http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=1790

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In April 2009, we obtained data on a random sample of 6000 physicians from the American Medical Association (AMA) Physician Masterfile, which includes current data on all U.S. physicians. We excluded physicians from U.S. territories because health care reform may not be as relevant to them, and we excluded physicians in training because of their limited experience with insurance; a sample of 5157 physicians remained. We categorized physicians into four groups: primary care physicians (in internal medicine, pediatrics, or family practice); medical subspecialists, neurologists, and psychiatrists; surgical specialists and subspecialists; and other specialties. The survey instrument we used was developed with the input of an expert panel, and we conducted cognitive testing and pilot testing to ensure its clarity and relevance. (More detailed information about our methods can be found in the Supplementary Appendix, available with the full text of this article at NEJM.org.)

Funny, I see no such methodology revealed by "investers.com" anywhere on their site, so I anxiously wait to see where you found the "scientifically" conducted poll and survey sent out by them. Such little transparency, what a surprise lol.

Here's the methodology for the New England Journal of Medicine (that liberal rag that's always issuing voluntary surveys with no scientific sampling):

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/...JMp0908239/DC1

Just say anything to win the argument right PF13? Doesn't matter if you just made it up or not....

Wildo7 · 10-01-2009, 11:16 PM

Looks like someone else has already commented on the striking differences between these polls:

Do doctors support health care reform? IBD says no, NEJM says yes - City of Brass

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There's an alarmist poll out from Investors Business Daily that makes the shocking claim that almost half (46%) of America's doctors will quit under Obama's proposed health care reform plan. The implications of such a finding - which runs counter to the American Medical Association's own support of President Obama for reform - are that one result of reform would be that America's doctors would revolt. But does this poll make any sense?

It turns out that the poll was a mail-in questionaire, not the usual phone-based poll. This is important because of selection bias; doctors who are predisposed to feeling threatened by proposed health care legislation will be more likely to respond. Also, mail-in responses tend to be skewed towards older repsondents, who also are more likely to be skeptical, or at least more willing to retire.

The poll itself was terribly written; one of the questions read, "Do you believe the government can cover 47 million more people and it will cost less and the quality of care will be better?" which is really three questions, and heavily biased towards skepticism (indeed, 71% answered No). It's worth noting that the pollling outfit has a horrendous track record; polling demigod Nate Silver comments:

As we learned during the [Presidential] campaign -- when, among other things, they had John McCain winning the youth vote 74-22 -- the IBD/TIPP polling operation has literally no idea what they're doing. I mean, literally none. For example, I don't trust IBD/TIPP to have competently selected anything resembling a random panel, which is harder to do than you'd think.

Nate also notes that the poll hasn't released any details of methodology, and bizarrely also says "responses are still coming in."...

But there are polls of doctors out there that are reliable and not subject to the bias and error of the IBD poll. The latest issue of the New England Journal of Medicine, one of the pre-eminent medical journals in the world, has results of a truly scientific poll whose methodology is indeed rigorous and public, which looked at physicians' views about the public option and expanding Medicare.

***DarrylS*** · 10-02-2009, 03:30 AM

The right is so desperate, and supportive of the insurance industry they will post anything to make a point...

***Harry Boy*** · 10-02-2009, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DarrylS

The right is so desperate, and supportive of the insurance industry they will post anything to make a point...

Repair It
Don't Replace It
Let Outside Qualified People Study It
Report It's Contents To The People
Then And Only Then Pass It
WHATS THE RUSH

Do You People Actually Believe And Trust Obama And That Gang Of Grinning Bastrads That Tag Along Behind Pelosi Like Little Baby Ducks Swimming After Their Mother (pig creeps)

Keep Government Out Of Your Life, Politicians Are Crooks Wearing Suits And That Includes Presidents, Scum.

Mrs.PatsFanInVa · 10-02-2009, 09:10 AM

Harry-Boy, really, think about trying Raisin Bran in the morning or something. You might feel better.

***patsfan13*** · 10-02-2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DarrylS

The right is so desperate, and supportive of the insurance industry they will post anything to make a point...

the majority of Americans don't want this turkey rammed down our throat, the pols know this. The Senate won't publish the legislation before the vote, because they understand the outrage when the taxes and rationing are shoved in people's face. If they thought the legislation would have wide support they would be letting people know what they are doing.

They wouldn't sneak it in as an amendment to the TARP bill.