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It was you, Fog, it was always you.
Fog is Fredo ....
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Just a note of caution. You can criticize Reverend Moon, but do not make sweeping statements about the Unification Church religion. It is against the rules of this forum to stereotype members of a religion as cultists or in any other way, even if that's what you believe.
In addition there are many more sources of what Father Moon ACTUALLY teaches and lives -- NOT to be confused with what OTHERS (with their OWN agendas) have said he teaches and lives -- such as: Pyeong Hwa Shin Gyeong (Peace Messages), available in English, Peace Messages from Rev. Sun Myung Moon. and Cheon Seong Gyeong, a large book (some 2500 pages in English) http://www.truelove.org/
There is also now a completed Autobiography by Father Moon, a book that has been on the Best-Seller list in Korea since the time it went on sale earlier this year -- ranking #7 last month -- which will soon be available in English.
As to Father Moon's teachings on Jesus, the Divine Principle, a teaching which Father Moon RECEIVED from Heaven -- it's not something he made up while walking the fields of nature or in some monastic study -- says that Jesus is "the only begotten Son of God", born without original sin, and who came to establish God's Heavenly Kingdom on earth. This was God's will for Jesus, and Jesus did his best to fulfill it, though he died at the hands of ignorant people before he could complete the task.
Since God's will is unchanging, this means that there MUST BE a Second Coming of the Messiah. Although he never sought after or even dreamed of being called to this mission, Jesus did in fact call Father Moon to carry on and complete his mission to build God's Kingdom on earth, when he appeared spiritually to the young Sun Myung Moon in 1936.
To understand the role of True Father Moon one must first clearly understand the role of Jesus as God called him. To understand why Jesus did NOT complete God's calling for him one only need understand that Jesus himself said "he would return", and that "the last days" would be a time of great confusion, chaos, and upheaval because the world that God has always intended for humankind is very different from the selfish self-centered world that has existed from the time Adam and Eve fell in the garden of Eden. Please refer to the Divine Principle mentioned above in this post (Exposition of the Divine Principle - 1996 Translation).
Anyone with sincere questions, comments, or complaints are welcomed. Bring 'em!!
TRUE peace and TRUE love to all.
"All that is required for evil to triumph is for good to do nothing."
Another guy saying he's is the Messiah and the Second Coming of Christ, never heard about this before...........Never thought the second comming of christ would need 4-5 mansion's to live in and millions of dollar but w/e.......
Press, Press, Press... okay the Neufeld thing is past me. But in terms of successor religions, come on!
I can answer that one!
"Moon's Unification Church is the only Christian church, because alone of all denominations it seeks to complete and perfect Christianity, and anybody else who calls himself a Christian really isn't one, because he mistakenly believes Christ to be the end of the story."
"Christians are the only real Jews, because people who call themselves Jews fall short of perfect obedience to commandments, and the whole commandment system was only tried out so people could understand how imperfect they are so that the necessity of accepting Jesus could be demonstrated blah blah blah perfected Jews blah blah blah Mel Gibson Anne Coulter yadda yadda yadda..."
Successor religions must always denigrate the predecessor religion. In the bible, there was a tremendous interest in denigrating the lay impression that local Canaanite deities could coexist with the Jewish God. Yet archaelogical finds turn up objects incribed with references to "[God's name], and his Asherah." Some interpret that to mean Asherah was taken by some to be God's consort, and others say it means only that Asherah was taken to be a lower deity in a pantheon... but certainly, there was an acknowledgment of polytheism, even if worship was owed to only one God.
But official Judaism of the time was obsessed with the monotheistic project, and wiping out these practices was the obsession... even if El does appear throughout the region, El as used in the Hebrew bible as another name for [God's name] (and of course, Elohim, "the Els") is the only acceptable use.
Over time, Elohim became understood as a name for God with a funny construction; Over time, the victory for monotheism was won by the incorporation and supplanting of the predecessor religions. This is only to say that the vocabulary of religion uses loan words, of course. Unfortunately for the modern-day cultist, each loan word (Jesus, for instance,) is tremendously charged.
I'd like to add that I personally reject Jesus quite happily, as do a good number of irreligious people here, and the one or two other Jews here. I also have no problem noting that Moon's actions, as a figure in the news (and as a church leader,) are pretty darn suspect.
I also accept, however, that religious belief itself involves belief in outrageous premises if taken as statements of objective fact. This conversation of course belongs next door.
But here's the weird part: Moon's statements as a refutation of Jesus are only blasphemous to Christians... and they are not much more blasphemous than statements by Christians regarding their "predecessor" religion, Judaism, from a Jewish point of view. We Jews -- particularly the Orthodox variety -- are the ones that came up with the talking snake and the multiple killings of Goliath, just as examples. For that matter, I as a reform Jew am constantly coming up with viewpoints that are blasphemous to Orthodox Jews.
Jesus was a cult leader, just a much more successful one. One man's blasphemy is another man's faith.
So Foggy's a Moonie, not a Christian. "Blasphemy" is just not that strong a charge in a forum with multiple religious viewpoints represented.
Actually, Fog did not contact me, but he objected earlier to my criticism of Reverend Moon. In my opinion, it's okay to criticize an individual be it Gandhi, MLK, the Pope, or any other religious leader, but criticizing the religion itself is simply against the rules of the forum.
Moon holds some very odd beliefs from what I've read, but to tell you the truth you'd be hard pressed to find a religion that didn't say some odd things in the fine print.
Is asking a question in an attempt to start intelligent discourse.. trashing someone????
Did you read the opening post, moon is constantly trashed on this forum as is Chritianity but the religion that still kills in it's name is never mentioned, a member of the Islamic religion recently carved his wifes head off with a steak knife right here in America because she wanted a divorce, when somebody posted the story on this forum they were called racists by the goody goody wonderful gentle loony liberals.
Why does American Liberalism have this love affair with Islam, they still in this day and age Carve Human Heads Off, they treat women like dogs and they still put human beings out in the yard and throw rocks at them until they are dead, they still give 20 lashes with a bull whip to young girls for smiling at men.........
The same Liberals that slobber over Islam are the same liberals that go nuts if an American Cop tasers a Murderer or slaps a criminals face
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