wistahpatsfan

I'm betting Brazil goes ape***** very soon on Honduras' arse. We will see them landing troops within two weeks. Just a hunch. And withing a week of that, fascist elements in the US will be demanding Obama halt Brazilian agression in Central America. We will have Glenn Beck comparing Brazil to Nazi Germany and O'Riely saying. "...and if you don't think Brazil is dangerous to America, well...they are! They just are!"

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fleabassist1

Brazil has sexy ladies. That's my contribution to this thread.

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My question would be, how are they neutral when they let the exhiled president sneak into their embassy? If that's not meddling in a foreign nations affairs, then nothing is. I think countries should simply let the Hondurans deal with their internal issues. This is a political problem in Honduras. It's not as if Honduras is bombing Nicaragua, or performing genocide against it's civilians. I'd just let them figure it out themselves.

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Real World

I'm confused by your comment here. Fascist elements will what?

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
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efin98

Compared with the regional powerhouses of Venezuela and the USA they are neutral. And they knew he was going to go to them at some point, he was in the country earlier so something had to have happened there to gauge their possible action if he sought their embassy out after his return.

This isn't them meddling, he sought out their aid. The fact that it is an internal struggle is irrelevant, international protocol has them allowing him entry to the embassy as the duly recognized head of state for Honduras. Seeking political asylum from them is also within protocol, as is Brazil deciding to allow him asylum, it doesn't matter what is going on with the country they have a right internationally to hear him out and keep him safe inside their sovereign territory.

You are missing the point, they can not do what they are doing to the Brazilian embassy no matter what is going on in Honduras- it is going to provoke Brazil to defend their sovereign territory in retaliation.

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Real World

Sorry dude, but you're missing the point. I don't need a lecture on what international protocol is for a foreign embassy. I know what it is, and I don't care, as I haven't spoken to what Honduras is doing to Brazils. My point is restricted to the fact that the Brazilians are being anything but neutral, when they allow the deposed leader of Honduras to sneak into their embassy in Honduras. To me, they are clearly injecting themselves into Honduras' affairs, which makes them anything but neurtral. Forget comparing them to the history of other countries, cuz that history is meaningless here. Foreign nations should stay out of this I think. The people, politicians, and supreme court of Honduras should be given every opportunity to solve their own problems. When they start killing innocent civilians, or invade a neighboring country, then it's an international problem. I'd just ask everyone to consider a similar situation in this country, and how we would feel. I wouldn't want foreign nations telling us how we should solve Florida 2000 for example. This is a Honduran problem, and no one elses.

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efin98

No, I actually got the point.

Apparently you do as you failed to see the violations of it being done.

Then you missed the whole point about this thread as it was discussing what what going on there and the possible results.

He never snuck in, he was allowed to enter as the RECOGNIZED HEAD OF STATE.

The current government in Honduras is NOT RECOGNIZED. Zelaya was allowed to enter as customary for ALL heads of state internationally under protocol.

You missed the whole point, when compared with the two polarizing countries of the USA and Venezuela he went to the third powerhouse, the one in the middle in Brazil. In the region Brazil is the most neutral compared to the other two. THAT IS WHAT IS MEANT. Every other country in the area has already thrown their support behind Zelaya, NOBODY is neutral there. However when choosing between the three, the one in the middle(being called "neutral") is Brazil.

Get it now or are you still insisting that them doing anything is not neutral?

Not when their embassy is under siege. They have every right to retaliate to ensure their embassy's protection. There is no ifs, ands, or buts- it is an internationally recognized right to act, a justified act of self defense for their own territory.

They were doing that which is why they weren't subjected to anything lasting beyond suspension from the OAS yet- until they laid siege to the Brazilian embassy.

It already became one when they laid siege to the embassy. It no longer was just internal, it was international and if they enter it will be an act of war.

Already happened to the US before, 1979 in Iran. Similar situation regarding government overthrown and an embassy being invaded by the country. Difference between the two: US didn't go to war, Brazil may if they storm the embassy.

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