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Bad behavior, perhaps. Yet he was right in what he said.
No, he wasn't at all. YOU lie.
Obama did not lie when he said the policy would not cover illegals. Your heroes are merely extrapolating a theory that suggests illegals won't be checked closely enough for citizenship. That doesn't make Obama a liar.
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Obama did not lie when he said the policy would not cover illegals. Your heroes are merely extrapolating a theory that suggests illegals won't be checked closely enough for citizenship. That doesn't make Obama a liar.
LOL
There is nothing in the bills setting out any standards for determining illegals. There is language that says that illegals won't receive treatment...but, without any way of figuring out who the illegals are...
So, in the end, you would have illegals receiving treatment under the bill. That makes Obama a liar.
Wilson Was Right:
This is how a slick chicago politician gets around it, Obama isn't going to give Illegal Aliens free health care, he's going "Legalize" 12 million of them and then give it to them......(God Bless Joe Wilson)
She's every liberal's nightmare, beating them over the head with their own parcel of tricks.
He should have been man enough either not to apologize to Obama or to apologize to the House as well for violating the rules of decorum. Instead, he simply showed himself to be a weak-minded fool like any other racist.
There is nothing in the bills setting out any standards for determining illegals. There is language that says that illegals won't receive treatment...but, without any way of figuring out who the illegals are...
So, in the end, you would have illegals receiving treatment under the bill. That makes Obama a liar.
You're either being willfully obtuse, or you can't read.
Back to the bill:
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(d) Residency Criteria- The Secretary shall promulgate a rule that provides criteria for determining residency for eligibility purposes under the USNHC Program.
(e) Coverage for Visitors- The Secretary shall promulgate a rule regarding visitors from other countries who seek premeditated non-emergency surgical procedures. Such a rule should facilitate the establishment of country-to-country reimbursement arrangements or self pay arrangements between the visitor and the provider of care.
It says RIGHT THERE in PLAIN ENGLISH that the Secretary of HHS will dictate the criteria for determining residency.
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Please explain, given that there is as of yet no health care bill, how this could be true?
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Originally Posted by JackBauer
Back to the bill:
It says RIGHT THERE in PLAIN ENGLISH that the Secretary of HHS will dictate the criteria for determining residency.
First you say there is not bill. Then you start talking about the bill. Maybe you should regain your senses before posting silly stuff.
Oh, and since the BILL states that the Secretary of HHS will dictate the criteria, only proves that criteria has not been established - thus, illegalies would be included. You just proved yourself wrong.
While the report found that federal subsidies to obtain health coverage would be restricted to U.S. citizens and legal residents, it also noted that the bill does not specify a citizenship verification system, something that critics say creates a loophole for undocumented immigrants to receive subsidies anyway.
Nothing like a few facts, eh?
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First you say there is not bill. Then you start talking about the bill. Maybe you should regain your senses before posting silly stuff.
There is no singular bill, since the Senate has not yet passed their version and thus it hasn't been worked out in commitee. I was referring to the House bill only. That doesn't change the fact that there is no basis for Joe Wilson to claim that the bill covers illegals and to call the president a liar for saying the bill will NOT cover illegals.
Please try and follow along.
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Originally Posted by ljuneau
Oh, and since the BILL states that the Secretary of HHS will dictate the criteria, only proves that criteria has not been established - thus, illegalies would be included. You just proved yourself wrong.
Logic is not your strong suit, is it? It has not yet been determined what the citizenship eligibility requirements will be. It does not follow that illegals would thus be included. It's up to Sebelius how stringent or lax the standards she implements would be. Given that President Obama has unequivocally stated that illegals would not be covered, and that she would be commiting political suicide (not to mention harming the administration) by including them, logic dictates that illegals would in fact not be covered. This case is further strengthened when you consider legislation in front of the more conservative Senate does not provide coverage for illegal immigrants. It is unlikely, to say the least, that such coverage would be added in committee.
Nothing in this article contradicts anything I've said. But actually, now that you mention it, it actually makes sense to allow illegals to purchase their own insurance without subsidy, rather than relying on emergency room care at the taxpayer's expense.
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Nothing in this article contradicts anything I've said. But actually, now that you mention it, it actually makes sense to allow illegals to purchase their own insurance without subsidy, rather than relying on emergency room care at the taxpayer's expense.
More contradictions from you. You really need to tone down all the silliness. Where do you think the money from subsidies originate?
Again
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While the report found that federal subsidies to obtain health coverage would be restricted to U.S. citizens and legal residents, it also noted that the bill does not specify a citizenship verification system, something that critics say creates a loophole for undocumented immigrants to receive subsidies anyway
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Very different than what you stated. Also, more proof that Obama was full of *****:
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The report, released Tuesday, "undermines the claims of the president and others that illegal immigrants would not be covered under the House version of the bill," Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies, told CNN.
More facts for you to get all confused over.
__________________ “If you have been voting for politicians who promise to give you goodies at someone else's expense, then you have no right to complain when they take your money and give it to someone else, including themselves.” ~ Thomas Sowell