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Re: Top US Socialists Say Obama is not one of them..
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Chavez and Castro love him.........
Yes, these communists love capitalists. Castro loved Reagan and Bush. Chavez loved Bush. LOL. It's really quite comical.
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Re: Top US Socialists Say Obama is not one of them..
Think about it Darryl. This country, generally speaking, dislikes the mere mention of socialism. Do you think the "top US socialists" want socialism? Um, yeah. Therefore, since socialism is disliked (1+), and the socialists want socialism (1), why would they say Obama is a socialist? The answer is, they wouldn't (= 2)! These guess want anyone closest to their ideals to succeed, and their ideals clash with that of the general populace.
For the record, I'm not calling Obama a socialist here. My comments are merely directed at the logic used to post this article, as evidence that Obama is not a socialist.
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So, someone titling themselves as the "Top US Socialist" <cough> claims BO is not like him? And you use this silly article as proof that BO is not a Socialist? and totally disregard his policies and all the czars surrounding him?
Dude, you really need to slow down. You claim that Beck, Palin, Limbaugh are all idiots - you're bizarre posts are actually making them sound credible.
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Re: Top US Socialists Say Obama is not one of them..
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So, someone titling themselves as the "Top US Socialist" <cough> claims BO is not like him? And you use this silly article as proof that BO is not a Socialist? and totally disregard his policies and all the czars surrounding him?
Dude, you really need to slow down. You claim that Beck, Palin, Limbaugh are all idiots - you're bizarre posts are actually making them sound credible.
Actually the socialist guy mentioned specific policy positions, such as health care and taxes where Obama differed greatly from him. This is how you go about winning a debate. You don't do it like those idiots Beck, Palin and Limbaugh, whose technique is to just keep saying it until people like you follow along.
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Re: Top US Socialists Say Obama is not one of them..
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Actually the socialist guy mentioned specific policy positions, such as health care and taxes where Obama differed greatly from him. This is how you go about winning a debate. You don't do it like those idiots Beck, Palin and Limbaugh, whose technique is to just keep saying it until people like you follow along.
So because he differs from Llewellyn, that means that he isn't a socialist? Are all socialists exactly the same in their beliefs? Obama most certainly is different from capitalists, in belief...closer to socialist than capitalist. Combine in the people who he surrounds himself with, and what their beliefs are, and I feel safe calling him a socialist.
Re: Top US Socialists Say Obama is not one of them..
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Originally Posted by sdaniels7114
Actually the socialist guy mentioned specific policy positions, such as health care and taxes where Obama differed greatly from him. This is how you go about winning a debate. You don't do it like those idiots Beck, Palin and Limbaugh, whose technique is to just keep saying it until people like you follow along.
Try again............ look at those answers. Tell me "these specific differences you see.
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Q. Is there anything in President Obama's agenda that does ring true to socialists? Is there any element that has its roots in socialism?
A. We don't have a blueprint for socialism. We're not a party, we're a membership organization. We haven't organized ourselves as a party precisely because socialism as a political construct is so weak in this country.
We actually did support Obama over Bush and we often will make political choices if we think they're important. They're not based on which one is socialist, because usually in most cases, unless it's Bernie Sanders, there isn't a socialist alternative. But many times it's important to make a choice and we'll do that. We certainly thought Obama would be a better president for the country than John McCain.
4th and long.......... lets PUNT (a total non-answer)
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Q. On health care reform, are you advocating any particular path?
A. We've always been single payer people. We were for single payer back when Clinton proposed health care reform, and we've done a lot of work to educate people about that. But single payer is not what I would call a "socialized" medical system. It doesn't make health care professionals employees of a government-run entity; it just says who is going to write the check.
Q. Your best case scenario would be if doctors were employed by the government?
A. I would say the only country where you can talk about socialized medicine is in Britain where you have a national health service where they're paid by the government and most costs are run through the government. I would say that's a socialized system. You can have national systems, most of them we would argue if you allow for-profit insurance you're not going to get effective health insurance. And it's certainly not going to be cost-effective health insurance because of the huge profits these health insurance companies want to make.
So if you look at other countries that have national health systems that include private insurance, there are usually requirements that they're not for-profit. There could be other avenues of approaching it, but we happen to think the single payer model along the lines of the Canadian system is what would work here.
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Q. Is there a particular tax system that would be a "socialist" tax system?
A. Generally speaking, we support a progressive income tax system. Certainly we support rolling back the Bush tax cuts, and we would say you have to go back further to roll back the Reagan cuts if you're going to implement the reforms that are necessary and pay for them. It's amazing that conservatives don't want to pay for anything. In Europe, they have income taxes, but they also have VAT; we think that's not progressive. I wouldn't say there's a 100 percent agreement among socialists around the world on taxes, but most would believe that taxes ought to be based on the ability to pay.
Re: Top US Socialists Say Obama is not one of them..
Therefore, since socialism is disliked (1+), and the socialists want socialism (1), why would they say Obama is a socialist? The answer is, they wouldn't (= 2)! These guess want anyone closest to their ideals to succeed, and their ideals clash with that of the general populace. 
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