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Make 'em legal. Just like towns enticing business to build to help raise the tax rolls. But oops, I guess that would screw up the majority white balance.
They can become legal at any time they want. It's not really that difficult to get a valid citizenship in this country if you really want one.
Please go back into your dark, white hating hole.
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Actually, I'd go with the latter. Are there any Brits in this message board that can tell us what the average wait is in a hospital? I've heard that 4-5 hours is common. Imagine having a broken arm...
According to official government statistics, 82.08% are treated within 2 hours in A&E.
Obviously people are treated by need, its not first come first served. If your condition is not so serious then you may have to wait if a lot of people come in from a car accident etc. In my experience i've never waited more than 2 hours in A&E or an NHS Walk in centre.
Regarding breaks, they always seem to go through pretty quickly, so no you would never wait around 4 hours with a broken arm.
Edit: The average wait in ER in America is 3.7 hours according http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/44453.php which also states Arizona as having an average wait time of 5 hours. Im not sure if average wait times in ER is a major talking point.
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They can become legal at any time they want. It's not really that difficult to get a valid citizenship in this country if you really want one.
Now I know you're young, but you really can't believe that the only reason why these people swim here is because they don't want to fill out some forms.
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Not really. I went to the hospital last summer for a badly separated shoulder. I waited in the hospital (a crowded hospital in downtown Jacksonville no less) for 20 minutes in agonizing pain before I was admitted. And that place was CROWDED.
I have a Brit in one of my classes in college who said that it isn't uncommon in Britain to wait 10 hours in an ER unless you are dying/bleeding to death. That's why I asked. As for the wait time here, it's simple math really. The more people that are insured, the higher the wait time in the hospital.
More simple math:
If you are proposing that there are those who need care but do not receive it because they are uninsured, that sort of skews the wait time until... forever.
But you forgot your talking points, remember? The ER is the one place where you can go insurance or not. So by that logic, your wait time will not increase.
I don't find either argument compelling. The idea that we are simply denying care to the uninsured, and that this is an attractive element of our care, strikes me as insanely callous. It is also precisely the sort of nonsense that the right has been bleating about being caused by a new health care system. "Oh no! You monsters want to unplug granny!" No, nobody wants to do that. But it is okay that detractors from reform want to make sure granny never gets care in the first place?
The second case is no more convincing. Your claim is that wait times will increase, because people will flood hospital ERs once insured. The difficulty is they can go already.
What exactly makes your care more important than theirs?
I have a Brit in one of my classes in college who said that it isn't uncommon in Britain to wait 10 hours in an ER unless you are dying/bleeding to death. That's why I asked. As for the wait time here, it's simple math really. The more people that are insured, the higher the wait time in the hospital.
Also the more people insured, the more reimbursement for the hospital and less of a writeoff... then you can hire more staff... or the hospital can add the income to their bottom line and make the BOD happy...
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They can become legal at any time they want. It's not really that difficult to get a valid citizenship in this country if you really want one.
When did you last apply?
And what country are you from?
Since you have no facts to back it up, I assume you're speaking from personal experience.
As for the stats, gee, it is difficult to become a citizen, and that much more difficult coming from latin American countries. People don't put up with constant fear of deportation because they're lazy or stupid... they have no choice.
Also the more people insured, the more reimbursement for the hospital and less of a writeoff... then you can hire more staff...
Absolutely right BUT, under the reforms currently proposed, they plan on cutting $500 billion from Medicare ,not by lowering physicians' reimbursements which they have done repeatedly but by cutting hospital reimbursements to offset the increase in revenue by not writing off uninsured care. The hospitals hope that the net result will be a wash or otherwise they may be forced to cut staff or hold off on new tech.
illegals pay taxes all the time. Granted they're paying them without any hope of reaping the benefits like medicare or social security or unemployment compensation should they lose their job - and they'll never be able to collect a refund at the end of the year like so many of us do when we've overpaid but still - they pay 'em.
Any illegal that works a job that cuts them a payroll check is paying taxes....those taxes may be being paid in someone else's name, of course, or they may be being paid on an alias or a faked id but make no mistake, they're being paid.
A stunning 2/3rds of all illegal aliens pay taxes, as a matter of fact. I'm not allowed to post links yet but check out reason.org/news/show/122411.html for yourself.
in 1996 the internal revenue service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don't have social security numbers to file taxes.
One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the irs' scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers.
what's more, aliens who are not self-employed have social security and medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks. Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they'll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the social security administration stashes in the "earnings suspense file" — added up to 10 percent of the social security surplus. The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year.
Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children. The non-partisan national research council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families � most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume.
a reasonable person, one capable of doing the math, has got to ask himself, "who's milking who?"
A 1099 is for people who are self employed. Its a non-employee W2 form. I work for several flooring retailers, a couple of builders, and a few management companies during the course of the year. Each sends the IRS and me a 1099 showing just how much I made from them each year.
MRS PFinVA is talking about a TIN which is a social security number for people who can't claim Social Security.
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Absolutely right BUT, under the reforms currently proposed, they plan on cutting $500 billion from Medicare ,not by lowering physicians' reimbursements which they have done repeatedly but by cutting hospital reimbursements to offset the increase in revenue by not writing off uninsured care. The hospitals hope that the net result will be a wash or otherwise they may be forced to cut staff or hold off on new tech.
Conceptually, prevention and earlier care may also bring in some savings as well.. but this is a crap shoot at best.
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