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Okay it's over now guys. The liberal of the family is on the board
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How the hell are we going to get illegals to pay taxes?
Illegals pay taxes all the time. Granted they're paying them without any hope of reaping the benefits like medicare or social security or unemployment compensation should they lose their job - and they'll never be able to collect a refund at the end of the year like so many of us do when we've overpaid but still - they pay 'em.
Any illegal that works a job that cuts them a payroll check is paying taxes....those taxes may be being paid in someone else's name, of course, or they may be being paid on an alias or a faked ID but make no mistake, they're being paid.
A stunning 2/3rds of all illegal aliens pay taxes, as a matter of fact. I'm not allowed to post links yet but check out reason.org/news/show/122411.html for yourself.
In 1996 the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don't have Social Security numbers to file taxes.
One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS' scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers.
What's more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks. Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they'll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the "earnings suspense file" — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus. The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year.
Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children. The non-partisan National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families � most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume.
A reasonable person, one capable of doing the math, has got to ask himself, "Who's milking who?"
MrsPFnV
Last edited by Mrs.PatsFanInVa; 09-07-2009 at 05:43 PM..
How the hell are we going to get illegals to pay taxes?
Make 'em legal. Just like towns enticing business to build to help raise the tax rolls. But oops, I guess that would screw up the majority white balance.
Also you really, really can't say things like... why don't we let all the secessionists in Texas, Alaska, etc. etc., run off with part of their states, and fill the remainder of all those who want to be U.S. citizens but are denied the opportunity.
Man people's brains would explode. But it seems a fairly simple solution... get citizens who love the U.S., and lose the traitors.
Dude, I don't know when the last time you visited an ER here in The USA was but a 4-5 hour wait for a broken arm would be considered either just about normal or even a bit quick depending on where you live at and what time of day it is.
(won't let me insert link because this is my first post. Trust me, there's a link - the average wait-time in an American ER is 222 minutes. Google it.)
I know - I spent 15 years working in an ER. A broken arm is fairly low down on the totem pole as far as getting seen quickly. I mean, sure it hurts and all, but almost no one dies from a broken arm so there's nothing that says it needs (or deserves) immediate treatment. Walk into an ER with a broken arm and you'll most likely get a sling, a bag of ice, an order for an Xray and a seat in the waiting room and if it doesn't look broken, you might not get the first two depending on how busy the triage nurse is at the time.
It just kills me when people feel it necessary to whine about the wait times in countries like Canada or England - obviously none of those whining have had a reason to attempt to make an appointment with a specialist here in the USA. When I first moved to VA I had to find a cardiologist - most of the offices I called either A) weren't accepting new patients at all or B) didn't have an appointment available for at least 2 to 3 months - and I live in a big city with lots of doctors and specialists and hospitals.
I work in with a one-doctor-small-practice rehab doctor now - and while we try very hard to get new patients in within 48-72 hours I've had people tell me that they had tried larger facilities before ours and were told that they would have to wait months before they could even be evaluated for whatever treatment their doctor had ordered.
Sure the wait times in Canada and England can be long - but not any longer than they are here.
Oh!! But Wait!! There is one big difference!!
In Canada and England everyone will eventually be taken care of - here only those with insurance or cold hard cash, and plenty of it, will ever actually get through the door.
Not really. I went to the hospital last summer for a badly separated shoulder. I waited in the hospital (a crowded hospital in downtown Jacksonville no less) for 20 minutes in agonizing pain before I was admitted. And that place was CROWDED.
I have a Brit in one of my classes in college who said that it isn't uncommon in Britain to wait 10 hours in an ER unless you are dying/bleeding to death. That's why I asked. As for the wait time here, it's simple math really. The more people that are insured, the higher the wait time in the hospital.
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