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...in support of Zelaya, who only wanted to blow up the country's constitution in favor of keeping himself in power. He was then removed from office and the country and replaced by the second in command from the same party with the blessing of the supreme court and with the promise of elections at the end of the year. Good god, is it really necessary to go out of our way to force this guy back into power? This wasn't a case of a coup, this was a President acting illegally being removed and replaced by his VP with elections to come. Yikes.
How about at the LEAST just sitting on the sidelines rather than actively taking a role in restoring him?!?
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...in support of Zelaya, who only wanted to blow up the country's constitution in favor of keeping himself in power. He was then removed from office and the country and replaced by the second in command from the same party with the blessing of the supreme court and with the promise of elections at the end of the year. Good god, is it really necessary to go out of our way to force this guy back into power? This wasn't a case of a coup, this was a President acting illegally being removed and replaced by his VP with elections to come. Yikes.
How about at the LEAST just sitting on the sidelines rather than actively taking a role in restoring him?!?
This is 100% totally shameful and disgusting. Shades of the hard Left Congress of the early 1980s when they didn't even have the decency to fund the native American Nicaraguans who were being slaughtered by the communist Sandinistas. Private individuals had to raise the money to support those Miskito Indians in Nicaragua, while the pompous ass, self-righteous Hard Left Ted Kennedy, Frank Church, and Marxist Ronald Dellums were selling their snake oil lies to the rest of Congress.
No wonder most Americans want the entire Congress to be replaced. They are all so out of touch -- following the Ted Kennedy example of "do as I say, not as I do" hypocrisy -- there is virtually zero honor or decency left on Capitol Hill.
Disgusting. Throw them all out, at least all those who vote to cut aid to Honduras for their courage to uphold their own Constitution and not bow down to this tin-horn wannabe dictator, Zelaya.
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This is 100% totally shameful and disgusting. Shades of the hard Left Congress of the early 1980s when they didn't even have the decency to fund the native American Nicaraguans who were being slaughtered by the communist Sandinistas. Private individuals had to raise the money to support those Miskito Indians in Nicaragua, while the pompous ass, self-righteous Hard Left Ted Kennedy, Frank Church, and Marxist Ronald Dellums were selling their snake oil lies to the rest of Congress.
No wonder most Americans want the entire Congress to be replaced. They are all so out of touch -- following the Ted Kennedy example of "do as I say, not as I do" hypocrisy -- there is virtually zero honor or decency left on Capitol Hill.
Disgusting. Throw them all out, at least all those who vote to cut aid to Honduras for their courage to uphold their own Constitution and not bow down to this tin-horn wannabe dictator, Zelaya.
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Are you really this clueless or do you just consider this lying for a good cause? Almost nothing you wrote here is even remotely accurate.
Zelaya is the democratically elected President that a majority of the Honduran population supports. You can't just have a minority coup because you don't agree with his politics, that's what democracy ids intended for. You see this same intimidation tactic from the right in this country; they lose an election then try to paint the President as a tyrant so that they can subvert democracy, overthrow him and install their own guy. That's why you have all these clueless loonies running around with guns talking about "refreshing the tree of liberty" as if that's really what the founders intended; for a minority to overthrow the democratically elected leader because they have a slightly different ideology. Zelaya has the constitutional power to do everything he's done. If he didn't, he wouldn't have been able to do it. Because he's a "leftist" doesn't mean you get to subvert democracy and wage a coup. Seriously, pick up a fvcking newspaper that isn't the Washington Times for once in your silly life and think for yourself.
As for the Sandinistas, you have absolutely zero idea what you are talking about (as usual). The Sandinistas rose to power after Somoza, a brutal US-BACKED dictator tyrannically took over the country when Sandino was assasinated in 1934. The U.S. sponsored decades of brutal oppression against Nicaraguans under the Somoza (a DICTATORSHIP) all the way until 1979 untile he was finally overthrown. The various guerillas waging a bloody coup on civilian populations in Nicaragua (including the miskito indians) were trained and funded by the U.S., who has committed so many atrocities in South America it's hard to keep count.
You could not be any more wrong about everything you said.
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Originally Posted by Noam Chomsky
Well, as even the most ardent supporters of the Contras now concede, this is what they call a proxy army which is attacking Nicaragua from foreign bases, is entirely dependent on its masters for directions and support, has never put forth a political program, has created no base of political support within the country, and almost its entire top military command is Somozist officers. Its military achievements so far consist of a long and horrifying series of very well documented torture, mutilation and atrocities, and essentially nothing else. Administration officials are now openly conceding in public that the main function of the Contras is to retard or reverse the rate of social reform in Nicaragua and to try to terminate the openness of that society. The state of siege, for example, which was imposed last fall, and which is very mild, I should say -- there is much political opening in Nicaragua, as everyone there up to the American ambassador will tell you -- that corresponds roughly to the state of siege which has been in place in El Salvador since early 1980, except in El Salvador it has been associated with a huge massacre of tens of thousands of people. Destruction of the press, so on and so forth. Whereas in Nicaragua it is a reaction to a war that we are carrying out against them with precisely the purpose of trying to retard social reform and to restrict the possibilities of an open and developing society. That is a cruel and savage policy, which we should terminate.
He was removed illegally from by the Supreme Court. Honduras, with a history of right-wing military coups and torture, should be held accountable. They have an impeachment process, which they should have followed.
Hey Foggy do you really think their Constitution says its ok for the Vice President to order the arrest of the President?
Foggy doesn't know what their constitution says or even what is involved in this ILLEGAL coup. He's just reiterating what the Washington Times told him to think.
He was removed illegally from by the Supreme Court. Honduras, with a history of right-wing military coups and torture, should be held accountable. They have an impeachment process, which they should have followed.
Thanks to Reagan and his right wing covert army, there are literally millions dead in Latin America. How Fog thinks he has a leg to stand on talking about "tyrants" is completely laughable, especially after he mentions a country in which the U.S. installed a murderous dictator in order to support his laughably ignorant position.
Are you really this clueless or do you just consider this lying for a good cause? Almost nothing you wrote here is even remotely accurate.
Zelaya is the democratically elected President that a majority of the Honduran population supports. You can't just have a minority coup because you don't agree with his politics, that's what democracy ids intended for. You see this same intimidation tactic from the right in this country; they lose an election then try to paint the President as a tyrant so that they can subvert democracy, overthrow him and install their own guy. That's why you have all these clueless loonies running around with guns talking about "refreshing the tree of liberty" as if that's really what the founders intended; for a minority to overthrow the democratically elected leader because they have a slightly different ideology. Zelaya has the constitutional power to do everything he's done. If he didn't, he wouldn't have been able to do it. Because he's a "leftist" doesn't mean you get to subvert democracy and wage a coup. Seriously, pick up a fvcking newspaper that isn't the Washington Times for once in your silly life and think for yourself.
As for the Sandinistas, you have absolutely zero idea what you are talking about (as usual). The Sandinistas rose to power after Somoza, a brutal US-BACKED dictator tyrannically took over the country when Sandino was assasinated in 1934. The U.S. sponsored decades of brutal oppression against Nicaraguans under the Somoza (a DICTATORSHIP) all the way until 1979 untile he was finally overthrown. The various guerillas waging a bloody coup on civilian populations in Nicaragua (including the miskito indians) were trained and funded by the U.S., who has committed so many atrocities in South America it's hard to keep count.
You could not be any more wrong about everything you said.
Nah, I'm VERY clued-in, as it were. But it sure seems you could get one, and benefit GREATLY by it.
The FACT is Zelaya tried to mimic the blatant power grabs of Hoooogo Chavez in Venezuela and his bud in Bolivia, Evo Morales, who both arbitrarily changed their nation's constitutions so they could have extended stays as presidents of their countries. They are both left-wingers who have stolen foreign investments in their countries under the guise of "nationalizing" them.
Zelaya is of the exact same ilk, a thief who tried to become "Thief of Honduras for Life" and got caught by the Honduran Congress and the Honduran Courts.
Here's a clue: the reason there are THREE branches of government -- executive, legislative, and judicial -- in modern democracies is so that no one branch may take dictatorial control of a country. But for the ideological fanatics of the left, no piddling thing like a "constitution" ever stopped them from wreaking their havoc and destruction. From Lenin to Mao to Ho to Castro to Pol Pot to Che to all the rest of the Hard Left, constitutions are for toilet paper, nothing else. And Zelaya fits that mold to a "t".
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Notice how all the lefties hate it when someone dares stand up to the power-grabbing dictators of the world???? Why all those people who actually want to see their constitutions FOLLOWED are all "counter-revolutionaries"!!!! Hang 'em high!!! Firing squads at dawn, if not sooner!!!! Drive 'em all into the jungles and snap their necks with machetes or hoes, as the Khmer Rouge did in Cambodia's "Killing Fields".
Disgusting. Will never be tolerated again. EVER.
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"All that is required for evil to triumph is for good to do nothing."
Notice how all the lefties hate it when someone dares stand up to the power-grabbing dictators of the world???? Why all those people who actually want to see their constitutions FOLLOWED are all "counter-revolutionaries"!!!! Hang 'em high!!! Firing squads at dawn, if not sooner!!!! Drive 'em all into the jungles and snap their necks with machetes or hoes, as the Khmer Rouge did in Cambodia's "Killing Fields".
Disgusting. Will never be tolerated again. EVER.
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Many on the left considered the entire Bush regime to be one giant power-grab. Would they be justified in forcedly overthrowing the government? You don't get to subvert democracy just because you disagree with the policy, that's what ELECTIONS are for. This is what the right doesn't understand and it's cost a great many lives.
US cutting aid to Honduras...
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