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PatriotsReign · 09-03-2009, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PressCoverage

This is the extent of coincidence theorists. Do you honestly believe, after all this time, and much more clever attempts at shaming away the discussion, that this bit of goofiness above is going to win the debate for you?

Why don't you people ever roll up your sleeves and really do the work, and debate the topic honestly? Is your arsenal so depleted that you have nothing left but smarmy cartoons and Popular Mechanics?

Once more: This has nothing to do with thermite or missiles. To conflate "inside job" stuff with the Cheney regime's greasing of the skids is a lazy (and/or ignorant) way to try and silence the discussion. And it ain't working. Never did.

I am certainly a believer of conspiracies and suspect our gov't has been involved in and orchestrated many of them. But what KILLS me is that we never discover absolute proof of any of them. I'm not being sarcastic, I truly find it baffling how we never get some evidence or that no one ever comes forward with "the goods".

Hell, we've been visited by other life forms in UFO's and we STILL don't have "Clincher" proof. It frustrates the hell out of me!

***PressCoverage*** · 09-03-2009, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PatriotsReign

I am certainly a believer of conspiracies and suspect our gov't has been involved in and orchestrated many of them. But what KILLS me is that we never discover absolute proof of any of them. I'm not being sarcastic, I truly find it baffling how we never get some evidence or that no one ever comes forward with "the goods".

Many, many people came forward with the goods, or planned to. It's just that in matters like these, they either die (Mike Connell, DC Madam, Bruce Ivins, Paul Wellstone, Barry Jennings), get smeared (Spitzer, Wilson, Plame), get fired and redacted (Tenet's entire CIA loyalist circle, Sibel Edmonds, Robert Williams), or all three (John O'Neill).

That says nothing of the half dozen or more specific warnings from foreign intel that came in all during the summer of 2001.

I've used this before... but... Remaining a coincidence theorist regarding 9/11, at this point, is a little bit like believing that flopping a flush 5 times in a row is entirely plausible.

PatriotsReign · 09-03-2009, 05:58 AM

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Many, many people came forward with the goods, or planned to. It's just that in matters like these, they either die (Mike Connell, DC Madam, Bruce Ivins, Paul Wellstone, Barry Jennings), get smeared (Spitzer, Wilson, Plame), get fired and redacted (Tenet's entire CIA loyalist circle, Sibel Edmonds, Robert Williams), or all three (John O'Neill).

That says nothing of the half dozen or more specific warnings from foreign intel that came in all during the summer of 2001.

I've used this before... but... Remaining a coincidence theorist regarding 9/11, at this point, is a little bit like believing that flopping a flush 5 times in a row is entirely plausible.

So let's toast to "Truth" and the never ending pursuit in finding it. But there are probably hundreds of thousand of such incidents that we'll never know about. Such as secret gov't/mega-corp. agreements. Those are the ones I'd like to know more about.

***PressCoverage*** · 09-03-2009, 06:08 AM

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So let's toast to "Truth" and the never ending pursuit in finding it. But there are probably hundreds of thousand of such incidents that we'll never know about. Such as secret gov't/mega-corp. agreements. Those are the ones I'd like to know more about.

Granted. But I'll tend to focus on the ones that are known.

Ones that, undeniably, demonstrate the key components for the requirement of any criminal investigation -- means, motive, opportunity.

sdaniels7114 · 09-03-2009, 06:08 AM

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Has anyone yet found a picture of the ground scrape marks from the jet that plowed into the Pentagon? A pilot who learned on a simulator swoops over a building ... has 600 feet to get to ground level ... does so as the plane hits the Pentagon roughly 2 floor level high. All the while ... neither jet engine touches the ground ... good old captain Sully would be lucky to pull that one off.

All airline pilots learn on a simulator. The first time any of them fly an actual airliner plane is on a scheduled trip with passengers. Its appropriate to do that because the simulators are nearly perfect.

All three successful impacts were amateurish. An experienced guy like Captain Sully would have approached at a descent of about 45 degrees and slammed into the buildings much faster.

Patsfanin Philly · 09-03-2009, 07:52 AM

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Based on your experience on the forensic team you can tell if it was shot down or not??? If you id'ed the passengers, you probably did it in a setting away from the airline.. and you can say that it was not shot down...

Personally think it is just a big folk tale, that makes some folks feel good, while it makes others very skeptical...

Gee Darryl where do you think human remains were collected, on site or away from it???? You do remember the pictures of people in Tyvek suits or do you believe that that was made up also???
You asked me....

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Can you say with a high degree of certainty that Flight 93 was not shot down???

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and I gave you my answer, whether you like it or not. For the record, a plane that breaks up or is impacted in flight (for whatever cause) leaves a very different debris trail from one that impacts the ground whole. Even you should be able to understand that.

***DarrylS*** · 09-03-2009, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Patsfanin Philly

Gee Darryl where do you think human remains were collected, on site or away from it???? You do remember the pictures of people in Tyvek suits or do you believe that that was made up also???
and I gave you my answer, whether you like it or not. For the record, a plane that breaks up in flight (for whatever cause) leaves a very different debris trail from one that impacts the ground whole. Even you should be able to understand that.

Have never believed the "official story" complete with cell phones and "lets roll" and never will.. I respect what you do and did, but does not change my mind.

***Harry Boy*** · 09-03-2009, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by presscoverage

many, many people came forward with the goods, or planned to. It's just that in matters like these, they either die (mike connell, dc madam, bruce ivins, paul wellstone, barry jennings), get smeared (spitzer, wilson, plame), get fired and redacted (tenet's entire cia loyalist circle, sibel edmonds, robert williams), or all three (john o'neill).

That says nothing of the half dozen or more specific warnings from foreign intel that came in all during the summer of 2001.

I've used this before... But... Remaining a coincidence theorist regarding 9/11, at this point, is a little bit like believing that flopping a flush 5 times in a row is entirely plausible.

God Bless America I am free to stand in front of the white house and yell "f-ck you" if the CIA, FBI and Dick Tracy can keep that freedom for me then I say "go to it" we do not want a dictator we do not want Islam we do not want Socialism or any other type of foreign ***** governing our land.

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