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***PressCoverage*** · 09-02-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriot_in_NY

Gee, PC still trying to make the "911 was an inside job" dog still hunt. What a shocker

That dog has been hunting, and never stopped.

But you should represent my argument accurately, and "get a fukcing clue," as you so eloquently put it.

Let it happen on purpose theory is not made it happen on purpose theory.

Patsfanin Philly · 09-02-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PressCoverage

Cheney saw an opportunity for what Bush called his trifecta, and gave it to him by giving the go-ahead to ISI and Al Qaeda, and ordering up a terrorism exercise that allowed him to send all relevant close-in air defense strip alert craft away from the target areas, and to disable the NORTHCOM normal response to flight path diversion.

Without beating a dead horse, two points...
1) Had they pulled those 19 terrorists out of line pre-flight and arrested/detained them on that fateful day, all we would have heard about would have been was profiling, profiling...etc. In the summer of 2000 a guy tried to barge into the c0ckpit of a Southwest Airlines flights. he passengers overpowered him and restrained him. He escaped and tried to get in the c0ckpit. The passengers restrained him and this time he suffocated to death.
A Death On Descent - CBS News
The mother went on Nightline crying that they didn't have to do it and they sued Southwest...After 9/11 the case disappeared when people realized the danger of someone getting in the c0ckpit....
2) Had the military shot down those planes before hitting the towers/pentagon all you would have heard about would have been outrage (rightfully so) from the families of the passengers. It was a 9/10 mentality and there would have been no point in pulling jets away from the target areas. they were never going to shoot down any of those jets, at least not the first few.

***DarrylS*** · 09-02-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Patsfanin Philly

Without beating a dead horse, two points...
1) Had they pulled those 19 terrorists out of line pre-flight and arrested/detained them on that fateful day, all we would have heard about would have been was profiling, profiling...etc. In the summer of 2000 a guy tried to barge into the c0ckpit of a Southwest Airlines flights. he passengers overpowered him and restrained him. He escaped and tried to get in the c0ckpit. The passengers restrained him and this time he suffocated to death.
A Death On Descent - CBS News
The mother went on Nightline crying that they didn't have to do it and they sued Southwest...After 9/11 the case disappeared when people realized the danger of someone getting in the c0ckpit....
2) Had the military shot down those planes before hitting the towers/pentagon all you would have heard about would have been outrage (rightfully so) from the families of the passengers. It was a 9/10 mentality and there would have been no point in pulling jets away from the target areas. they were never going to shoot down any of those jets, at least not the first few.

You say you did not want to beat a dead horse yet you did.. you should spare the hyperbole and hysteria, we are all grown up on this board.. it may work in some places but not here all that well.

The profiling crap is what it is, crap.

Can you say with a high degree of certainty that Flight 93 was not shot down???

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***PATSNUTme*** · 09-02-2009, 06:34 PM

***PressCoverage*** · 09-02-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PATSNUTme

[some unfunny image that does nothing for coincidence theory]

This is the extent of coincidence theorists. Do you honestly believe, after all this time, and much more clever attempts at shaming away the discussion, that this bit of goofiness above is going to win the debate for you?

Why don't you people ever roll up your sleeves and really do the work, and debate the topic honestly? Is your arsenal so depleted that you have nothing left but smarmy cartoons and Popular Mechanics?

Once more: This has nothing to do with thermite or missiles. To conflate "inside job" stuff with the Cheney regime's greasing of the skids is a lazy (and/or ignorant) way to try and silence the discussion. And it ain't working. Never did.

Patsfanin Philly · 09-02-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DarrylS

Can you say with a high degree of certainty that Flight 93 was not shot down???

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Yes for a whole host of reasons. I was part of the forensic team (DMORT) that identified the passengers on Flight 93 and was on the ground in Somerset County on 9/12/01.
For obvious reasons I can't discuss much of what we did as evidence was used in criminal prosecutions but I feel confident that the passengers on that flight were heroes who saved countless lives in DC .It was the actions of the terrorists in trying to prevent the passengers from retaking
the plane that caused it to crash.

***IcyPatriot*** · 09-02-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PressCoverage

Former High-Ranking Intelligence Officer: Cheney Responsible for 9/11

David Steele is a former 20-year Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer, the second-ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence, and former CIA clandestine services case officer.
Steele has previously written that "9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war".

This month, Steele went further, writing:

Pakistan briefed Cheney [about the plans for the terrorist attacks ahead of time] …nations also got wind of this and warned the CIA. We also had two walk-ins to the FBI, one in Orlando, one in Newark, that were dismissed by the FBI because the names were all virgins and not in the FBI data base—the arrogance of stupid bureaucracy.

Cheney saw an opportunity for what Bush called his trifecta, and gave it to him by giving the go-ahead to ISI and Al Qaeda, and ordering up a terrorism exercise that allowed him to send all relevant close-in air defense strip alert craft away from the target areas, and to disable the NORTHCOM normal response to flight path diversion.

While the details might be open to debate, many other very high-level intelligence officers have said the "official" explanation for 9/11 makes no sense. And see this and this.

Good post ... the best explanation for 9/11 is black ops.

How jets can be 150 miles away from interception when they started at 75 miles is but one of the questions yet unanswered. For all his faults 9/11 wasn't one of Bush's faults ... he was the puppet.

***IcyPatriot*** · 09-02-2009, 08:47 PM

Has anyone yet found a picture of the ground scrape marks from the jet that plowed into the Pentagon? A pilot who learned on a simulator swoops over a building ... has 600 feet to get to ground level ... does so as the plane hits the Pentagon roughly 2 floor level high. All the while ... neither jet engine touches the ground ... good old captain Sully would be lucky to pull that one off.

***DarrylS*** · 09-03-2009, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Patsfanin Philly

Yes for a whole host of reasons. I was part of the forensic team (DMORT) that identified the passengers on Flight 93 and was on the ground in Somerset County on 9/12/01.
For obvious reasons I can't discuss much of what we did as evidence was used in criminal prosecutions but I feel confident that the passengers on that flight were heroes who saved countless lives in DC .It was the actions of the terrorists in trying to prevent the passengers from retaking
the plane that caused it to crash.

Based on your experience on the forensic team you can tell if it was shot down or not??? If you id'ed the passengers, you probably did it in a setting away from the airline.. and you can say that it was not shot down...

Personally think it is just a big folk tale, that makes some folks feel good, while it makes others very skeptical...

PatriotsReign · 09-03-2009, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by maverick4

It's not diarrhea.

There are multiple weird oddities about 9-11, whether you look at WTC7 falling, or what a coincidence that the day of the attacks, all relevant military jets were pulled away from that airspace. Bin Laden was also a CIA agent for us for over 20 years - we found Saddam in a hole in the desert, but we can't find a guy hooked up to a dialysis machine?

It's very similar to how FDR let Pearl Harbor happen, after provoking the Japanese he even hid the attack information from his own admirals, he wanted to get into WWII any way he could.

Mav, why do think our gov't agencies would purposefully NOT find Bin Laden? I'm sure they're not worried about what he'd say if we brought him in since every American expects and wants him "shot on-sight". None of us want to see him get a trial, so what's the big deal?