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Real World · 09-01-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Stokes

But how could there be any legal justification? That case would be 9-0 against I suspect. There is simply no way the Constitution allows for changing representation in Congress in order to account for people who do not vote and should have no representation in Congress, right?

9-0? I'd hope so, but just last year we had a ruling regarding the 2nd amendment that went 5-4! Do you think Sotomayor, you know, the enlightened latina, would vote against counting illegals, who are predominently hispanic? Hell no. My guess is that she wouldn't be alone either.

Real World · 09-01-2009, 07:30 PM

What's funny is that we can ask illegals to answer questions in a census, or count them in one, and yet we can't actually round them up and deport them as we should. Go figure.

***maverick4*** · 09-01-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PatriotsReign

Illegals can't be counted in any US census...nor should they be. Representation in congress is determined by the number os US CITIZENS in their districts. Illegals don't count in many ways. They don't count in determining gov't representation AND they don't count as far as policy. In other words, it would be unconstitutional for any law to be passed that would help illegals with our tax dollars.

Once again, that's the way it should be.

I agree and also think we should tighten the borders to prevent further illegals from coming in, BUT... what do you do with the ones already here? Are you for or against some sort of process where over time they can become citizens? If you keep them permanently out of the system, they have more incentive to send money to Mexico, rather than say for mortgage payments which keeps money in the border.

efin98 · 09-01-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sdaniels7114

The Constitution mentions people, not citizens. Specifically it says 'free people' but that's in reference to slaves counting as 3/5's of a person for enumeration purposes. They do exempt untaxed Indians in the document, maybe illegals would be considered Indians today; but they do say untaxed Indians and nobody escapes all taxes.

That was what the precedent I think people may try to use...

Article 1, section 2 as it was enacted:

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Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

Clause 2 of the 14th amendment specifically forces the freed slaves and can also be used as basis for them to be counted in the US Census even if they are illegally in the country...

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Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed

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