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sdaniels7114 · 08-27-2009, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInEaglesLand

What a bunch of hypocrites. 20 minutes before they are born you could care less if if they were sucked through a blender with a shop vac...

I don't know where people get the idea that the Republican party is full of miserable hate mongers. Its a deep mystery.

sdaniels7114 · 08-27-2009, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry Boy

I'm talking about The ***** they are trying Ram through now...

No, you're talking about what the Hannitys and Limbaughs of the world have called it, not what it actually is. Like Belechickfan who want's a cheaper system that insures the poor; but doesn't want Obama's plan even though that's exactly what it does.

***Harry Boy*** · 08-27-2009, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sdaniels7114

No, you're talking about what the Hannitys and Limbaughs of the world have called it, not what it actually is. Like Belechickfan who want's a cheaper system that insures the poor; but doesn't want Obama's plan even though that's exactly what it does.

Why are so many Americans against it and if it is so great why won't Pelosi and her sniveling little sidekick Reid be using it?

Fogbuster · 08-27-2009, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa

It's certainly horrific that there are some situations where women in the UK give births in hallways and lifts. It no doubt contributes to their infant mortality rate of 4.85 per 1,000 live births.

Once again: UK, 4.85 deaths per 1,000 live births. That's the UK's infant mortality rate.

Do you have heartwrenching little stories that explain the United States' infant mortality rate of 6.26 deaths per 1,000 live births?

That's much higher.

Once again: US, 6.26 deaths per 1,000 live births.

What are the stories that add up to the higher incidence of infant mortality in the United States?

Since everything is perfect here, and conditions are so much worse in countries with better health indicators, shouldn't we have a lower infant mortality rate?

Why does a baby in Sweden - with 2.75 deaths per 1,000 live births - have such a higher chance of survival than an American baby?

Is it the robust free-market model Sweden uses to determine health care? Oh wait, no, Sweden doesn't do that.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2091rank.html

Clowns.

PFnV

Don't know if your figures are accurate, but even if they are ... infant mortality in the U.S. will only INCREASE with socialized medicine. And the costs to economy will spiral beyond control. Remember one thing: the same Congress who is pushing for this bride of Frankenstein is the same Congress who has EXEMPTED themselves -- for LIFE -- from it. That's all the proof anyone needs to know this is the biggest rip off since the Community Re-investment Act (CRA).

Tort reform and good old fashioned competition in the health profession is the *only* way to make health care affordable and high quality to all. Get the God damned lawyers OUT of health care and costs will be reduced by 70% or more over night. There will be a lot fewer lawyers driving Lamborghinis and Ferraris around, a lot fewer buying homes in the Hamptons and on the Vineyard, but I can live with with that.

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***DaBruinz*** · 08-27-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa

It's certainly horrific that there are some situations where women in the UK give births in hallways and lifts. It no doubt contributes to their infant mortality rate of 4.85 per 1,000 live births.

Once again: UK, 4.85 deaths per 1,000 live births. That's the UK's infant mortality rate.

Do you have heartwrenching little stories that explain the United States' infant mortality rate of 6.26 deaths per 1,000 live births?

That's much higher.

Once again: US, 6.26 deaths per 1,000 live births.

What are the stories that add up to the higher incidence of infant mortality in the United States?

Since everything is perfect here, and conditions are so much worse in countries with better health indicators, shouldn't we have a lower infant mortality rate?

Why does a baby in Sweden - with 2.75 deaths per 1,000 live births - have such a higher chance of survival than an American baby?

Is it the robust free-market model Sweden uses to determine health care? Oh wait, no, Sweden doesn't do that.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2091rank.html

Clowns.

PFnV

They are no more clowns than yourself..

There are a variety of factors that go into why deaths in the United States can be higher. Especially over a country like Sweden. Hell, its fallacy to assume that the reason that the deaths are lower in those countries is STRICTLY because of the health care system.

First and foremost, I can think of all the TEEN pregnancies that go on here in the United States. Then you factor in the number of pregnancies that go occur to drug addicts and such.. I can fully understand why the numbers are higher here in the US...

Not to mention the number of hospitals has decreased significantly here in the US. How many hospitals are there per 1000? I'd bet that in Sweden, UK, etc, the numbers are higher than here in the US.

Looking at the straight numbers and claiming its just because of the healthcare system is just as bad as the the fear mongering..

godef · 08-27-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Real World

Yeah, this is awesome...

The babies born in hospital corridors: Bed shortage forces 4,000 mothers to give birth in lifts, offices and hospital toilets

By Jenny Hope and Nick Mcdermott
Last updated at 8:36 AM on 26th August 2009
Comments (233) Add to My Stories

Thousands of women are having to give birth outside maternity wards because of a lack of midwives and hospital beds.

The babies born in hospital corridors: Bed shortage forces 4,000 mothers to give birth in lifts, offices and hospital toilets | Mail Online

You might've mentioned that this was in England.

Real World · 08-27-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by godef

You might've mentioned that this was in England.

I thought it was obvious.

sdaniels7114 · 08-27-2009, 02:22 PM

I'm still wondering why its a horrible crisis for 1 in 350 babies to be born outside of a hospital's delivery room in the United Kingdom; but its no big deal that 16% of Americans have no medical insurance at all?

***DarrylS*** · 08-27-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fogbuster

Tort reform and good old fashioned competition in the health profession is the *only* way to make health care affordable and high quality to all. Get the God damned lawyers OUT of health care and costs will be reduced by 70% or more over night.

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Tort reform is an interesting discussion, as most of the high settlements come out of state courts, can you say shopping for a easy court with high settlement history... do you want the executive branch and congress to start to mess with State's rights??? Essentially it is a state issue.. the Prez can take the lead...

Secondly, if this president were to begin a discussion about tort reform, can you imagine the resulting uproar that he would dare to discuss the Judicial Branch of government and infrindge upon the rights of the judiciary???

The reality is that Tort Reform, might be a good thing, but in reality it is a slippery slope with a whole lot of crap that can mess it up. Need to be mindful of unintended consequences...

***IcyPatriot*** · 08-27-2009, 02:41 PM

Just saying here ... how did prehistoric man pull it off. Part of the health care bill should be to increase the supply of midwives so more women can give birth at home.