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The right wing has shown us that distortion works. They have the cynicism and dishonesty needed to push distortions, i.e., their lies about death panels, horrors of socialized medicine, and the gov choosing your doctors for you -- so those who support national health care should distort as well. Here are my suggestions.
With national health care:
- You'll live longer. (Based on the fact that both the French and Japanese live longer.)
- It will feel like a tax cut. (Based on the fact that national health care plans have a per capita cost that's half of what we pay.)
- The federal deficit will decline. (Based on the fact that the pharmaceuticals have agreed to spend $80 billion to help defray the cost of national health care.)
- You'll be able to sign up for your favorite healthcare plan, even Medicare. (Based on the fact that the public option will be available to everyone.)
- Diseases like cancer and diabetes will be cured faster. (Based on the fact that access to info for research purposes will be streamlined by standardizing record-keeping systems.)
- It puts the power in your hands, rather than in the hands of an insurance company's death panel.
- It will revitalize one of the great American industries, the insurance industry. (Based on the idea that they'll be screwed if they don't do something.)
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National health care is the fountain of youth. You'll never get sick you'll never age and die. Of course that means that we'll have to reduce the number of births to accommodate all those that live forever.
The right wing has shown us that distortion works. They have the cynicism and dishonesty needed to push distortions, i.e., their lies about death panels, horrors of socialized medicine, and the gov choosing your doctors for you -- so those who support national health care should distort as well. Here are my suggestions.
With national health care:
- You'll live longer. (Based on the fact that both the French and Japanese live longer.)
- It will feel like a tax cut. (Based on the fact that national health care plans have a per capita cost that's half of what we pay.)
- The federal deficit will decline. (Based on the fact that the pharmaceuticals have agreed to spend $80 billion to help defray the cost of national health care.)
- You'll be able to sign up for your favorite healthcare plan, even Medicare. (Based on the fact that the public option will be available to everyone.)
- Diseases like cancer and diabetes will be cured faster. (Based on the fact that access to info for research purposes will be streamlined by standardizing record-keeping systems.)
- It puts the power in your hands, rather than in the hands of an insurance company's death panel.
- It will revitalize one of the great American industries, the insurance industry. (Based on the idea that they'll be screwed if they don't do something.)
I'm sorry Patters but you could NEVER be a neo con thinker your to realistic. Your just speaking the truth in what you have put up here. Its not outragious enough, i don't see any wild and crazy lies in your post.
The right wing has shown us that distortion works. They have the cynicism and dishonesty needed to push distortions, i.e., their lies about death panels, horrors of socialized medicine, and the gov choosing your doctors for you -- so those who support national health care should distort as well. Here are my suggestions.
With national health care:
- You'll live longer. (Based on the fact that both the French and Japanese live longer.)
- It will feel like a tax cut. (Based on the fact that national health care plans have a per capita cost that's half of what we pay.)
- The federal deficit will decline. (Based on the fact that the pharmaceuticals have agreed to spend $80 billion to help defray the cost of national health care.)
- You'll be able to sign up for your favorite healthcare plan, even Medicare. (Based on the fact that the public option will be available to everyone.)
- Diseases like cancer and diabetes will be cured faster. (Based on the fact that access to info for research purposes will be streamlined by standardizing record-keeping systems.)
- It puts the power in your hands, rather than in the hands of an insurance company's death panel.
- It will revitalize one of the great American industries, the insurance industry. (Based on the idea that they'll be screwed if they don't do something.)
Are you stating these points as fact? In which case, these would be the ideal results, but none of this has happened yet and no one can prove that it will happen, only discuss the liklihood. Like anything else (such as the economy) such things take time to prove themselves out if at all.
Or just you just presenting your opinions on what you consider reasonable debate points on universal healthcare? In which case, this is a rather short list which could be added to.
I liked where you started going with this, but I think you need more clarity.
National health care is the fountain of youth. You'll never age and die. Of course that means that we'll have to reduce the number of births to accommodate all those that live forever.
The right wing has shown us that distortion works. They have the cynicism and dishonesty needed to push distortions, i.e., their lies about death panels, horrors of socialized medicine, and the gov choosing your doctors for you -- so those who support national health care should distort as well. Here are my suggestions.
With national health care:
- You'll live longer. (Based on the fact that both the French and Japanese live longer.)
- It will feel like a tax cut. (Based on the fact that national health care plans have a per capita cost that's half of what we pay.)
- The federal deficit will decline. (Based on the fact that the pharmaceuticals have agreed to spend $80 billion to help defray the cost of national health care.)
- You'll be able to sign up for your favorite healthcare plan, even Medicare. (Based on the fact that the public option will be available to everyone.)
- Diseases like cancer and diabetes will be cured faster. (Based on the fact that access to info for research purposes will be streamlined by standardizing record-keeping systems.)
- It puts the power in your hands, rather than in the hands of an insurance company's death panel.
- It will revitalize one of the great American industries, the insurance industry. (Based on the idea that they'll be screwed if they don't do something.)
Thats Obama talking, I don't trust him and I'm not alone.
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Are you stating these points as fact? In which case, these would be the ideal results, but none of this has happened yet and no one can prove that it will happen, only discuss the liklihood. Like anything else (such as the economy) such things take time to prove themselves out if at all.
Or just you just presenting your opinions on what you consider reasonable debate points on universal healthcare? In which case, this is a rather short list which could be added to.
I liked where you started going with this, but I think you need more clarity.
I think the Democrats need to play the same game as the righties. State as fact things that are somewhat subjective. Yes, of course, there's not guarantee that people will live longer if we have national health care, but claiming that people will live longer is at least as honest as claiming that national health care will lead to the government deciding whether you'll live or die.
Those are excellent talking points Patters. The problem is though, that's all they are. Mere talking points.
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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him." Leo Tolstoy, 1897
- The federal deficit will decline. (Based on the fact that the pharmaceuticals have agreed to spend $80 billion to help defray the cost of national health care.)
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Let me address that one point. The question is what did the Administration promise to get the support of big pharma? If as reported in Huffington Post, it was a ban on the import of drugs from Canada and a refusal of the gov't to use its clout as a purchaser to get drug companies to lower prices, the American people are losers and it will cost more. On a micro level if you pay more for your non-imported meds, it's costing you more..... If the gov't doesn't get the drug comppanies to lower their price by buying bulk, it costs you more......
I don't know if this will cause the deficit to decline but it will mean less discretionary spending buy having to spend more on meds that doesn't have to be spent. And I don't want to be turned into a criminal if I were to purchase cholesterol or blood pressure meds from north of the border with a valid presecription.(if I were taking any prescription meds)
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These should be the healthcare talking points
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