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The right wing has shown us that distortion works. They have the cynicism and dishonesty needed to push distortions, i.e., their lies about death panels, horrors of socialized medicine, and the gov choosing your doctors for you -- so those who support national health care should distort as well. Here are my suggestions.
With national health care:
- You'll live longer. (Based on the fact that both the French and Japanese live longer.)
- It will feel like a tax cut. (Based on the fact that national health care plans have a per capita cost that's half of what we pay.)
- The federal deficit will decline. (Based on the fact that the pharmaceuticals have agreed to spend $80 billion to help defray the cost of national health care.)
- You'll be able to sign up for your favorite healthcare plan, even Medicare. (Based on the fact that the public option will be available to everyone.)
- Diseases like cancer and diabetes will be cured faster. (Based on the fact that access to info for research purposes will be streamlined by standardizing record-keeping systems.)
- It puts the power in your hands, rather than in the hands of an insurance company's death panel.
- It will revitalize one of the great American industries, the insurance industry. (Based on the idea that they'll be screwed if they don't do something.)
You sir are dilluted.
If you think I'm an ass for saying so, do this.
Go find a local military person and ask them how long it takes for them to get a doctor appointment and then ask them about the quality of care. Hell ask them if they actually saw a DOCTOR!
And to boot please name one system that the government took over or created that is run efficiently? Just one.
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Let me address that one point. The question is what did the Administration promise to get the support of big pharma? If as reported in Huffington Post, it was a ban on the import of drugs from Canada and a refusal of the gov't to use its clout as a purchaser to get drug companies to lower prices, the American people are losers and it will cost more. On a micro level if you pay more for your non-imported meds, it's costing you more..... If the gov't doesn't get the drug comppanies to lower their price by buying bulk, it costs you more......
I don't know if this will cause the deficit to decline but it will mean less discretionary spending buy having to spend more on meds that doesn't have to be spent. And I don't want to be turned into a criminal if I were to purchase cholesterol or blood pressure meds from north of the border with a valid presecription.(if I were taking any prescription meds)
Wait a minute! In 2004 John Kerry told me that we should be able to get our drugs from canada to help the elderly afford their medicine. While telling me that outsourcing was bad.
Now you are saying that we can't?
The democrats have me confused...
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Go find a local military person and ask them how long it takes for them to get a doctor appointment and then ask them about the quality of care. Hell ask them if they actually saw a DOCTOR!
And to boot please name one system that the government took over or created that is run efficiently? Just one.
There are many systems the government runs well. Most people are happy with Medicare. Most are happy with Social Security. Few people complain about the overall workings of the courts, the interstate highways, the FAA, the FCC, the FEC, and most people trust the government to run system which protects the reliability of our currency. Most people are quite happy with the military. Most people think that our agencies that check our food and drugs do a good job. We're happy with our clean water and our relatively clean air. We are happy with the various agencies that handle trade, and I think we're pretty satisfied with the various security agencies that have for the most part kept us safe. Most people are reasonably happy with our national parks, our emergency management (Katrina being an exception, not a rule), and the various bodies that ensure access to the airwaves, the internet, telephone reliability, etc.
But, regarding military medical care, why in the world are you arguing for the status quo when you're not happy with the status quo? If military medical care is poor, then it needs to change. And, in the examples, I provided, I think I showed there are many things that the government does well. Remember, mgcolby, the government has greater transparency that private enterprise, so most of the mistakes in private enterprise are kept secret until a major crisis occurs, such as the recent crisis that swung our nation in a severe recession because of bad decisions by major banks, insurers, auto companies, and others.
Both the private sector and the public sector are made up of Americans like you and me. They're not all perfect, but most of them do a good job, and at least in the public sector not only do you have greater transparency, but you also have the political opposition, the MSM, and good government keeping tabs on it. You don't have that kind of scrutiny in the private sector or Bernie Madoff, Enron, and others would not have ripped people off for tens of billions of dollars.
The right wing has shown us that distortion works. They have the cynicism and dishonesty needed to push distortions, i.e., their lies about death panels, horrors of socialized medicine, and the gov choosing your doctors for you -- so those who support national health care should distort as well. Here are my suggestions.
With national health care:
- You'll live longer. (Based on the fact that both the French and Japanese live longer.)
- It will feel like a tax cut. (Based on the fact that national health care plans have a per capita cost that's half of what we pay.)
- The federal deficit will decline. (Based on the fact that the pharmaceuticals have agreed to spend $80 billion to help defray the cost of national health care.)
- You'll be able to sign up for your favorite healthcare plan, even Medicare. (Based on the fact that the public option will be available to everyone.)
- Diseases like cancer and diabetes will be cured faster. (Based on the fact that access to info for research purposes will be streamlined by standardizing record-keeping systems.)
- It puts the power in your hands, rather than in the hands of an insurance company's death panel.
- It will revitalize one of the great American industries, the insurance industry. (Based on the idea that they'll be screwed if they don't do something.)
I love this then read the first few comments following it...
First of all, this is a great summing-up from the positive point of view (in the literal sense: this posits the benefits of national healthcare pretty succinctly.)
But they're right, as a parody of the neocon approach it doesn't work.
There's only planning in it, not fear. There's no negative "...if THEY get THEIR way..."
But I can't think of a much better way to sum up the "pro" position. One could question any of the above statements but none are demonstrably WRONG, as are just about all the point raised counter to the bills on the hill.
The old "White" people who are standing up to political scum like Sen Specter are getting results because they are screaming, yelling and acting just like the Bush Haters and all the other Disruptive Liberal Democrat Protesters we have seen in the past, the left Wing is going nuts because those "White" Tea Baggers & Old "White" senoirs are acting just like Them, THE OLD WHITE BASTARDS ARE ACTING LIKE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS AND IT'S WORKING.
Dear Old White Bastards:
Organize and fight, tip cars over, break store windows, steal plasma TV's, loot Wal Marts, loot liqour stores, set tents up in front of President Jug Ears house, stand up on a car and sing "We Shall Overcome" BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN" thats how the Left Wing Does It and they always get results, Praise Jesus.
ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS
MARCHING AS TO WAR
YOU CAN DO IT JANE FONDA, JESSIE JACKOFF, GOOFY KERRY, OBAMA'S FRIEND BILL AYERS etc they all did it.
GOOD LUCK BROTHERS AND SISTERS GO BREAK A WINDOW AND SET A CAR ON FIRE THATS HOW THE LIBERALS DO IT.
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psst, it's deluded,not dilluted. Dilluted means less dense.....Come to think of it.....never mind.
There are several other problems with Obama's plan that need to be addressed
1) Many who can afford to choose a high deductible plan so that if you stay healthy, you save money and by having the first X amount of dollars come out of your own pocket, you are more sensitive to costs. With 'approved plans" requiring minimal coverage, these high deductible HSA'a will go by the wayside, costing individuals more. Much like I've addessed in earlier posts, many of these provisions (banning import of drugs from Canada) will cost individuals more.
2) This will also cost young people more as well as those who take care of themselves by eating right and exercising. Currently my carrier gives a $400 rebate for exercising spouses who go to the gym 120 times a year. Under the new plan all people will be charged the same with no adjustments for age or healthy lifestyle.. Life insurance charges different rates as do auto insurance carriers with a 16 year old at higher risk charged more than the soccer mom.... I'm not saying charging the cancer patient more but there can be discounts for healthy lifestyles that reduce insurance carriers costs.
Below are links to two articles, the first with an alternative that I think we cna all agree is a positive step in th eright direction. The second lists problems that need fixing in the plan to make it more palatable to people...
Can't speak for anybody else, but I for one think that you are funny for spelling what you seem to have meant, deluded, meaning detatched from reality, in a fantasy world, with a variant of diluted, meaning "watered down" with some inert agent.
If Patters is diluted, I wonder how hard a time you'd have answering the full-strength version.
I love this then read the first few comments following it...
First of all, this is a great summing-up from the positive point of view (in the literal sense: this posits the benefits of national healthcare pretty succinctly.)
But they're right, as a parody of the neocon approach it doesn't work.
There's only planning in it, not fear. There's no negative "...if THEY get THEIR way..."
But I can't think of a much better way to sum up the "pro" position. One could question any of the above statements but none are demonstrably WRONG, as are just about all the point raised counter to the bills on the hill.
PFnV
I think where I'm coming up short is that my examples don't care with what the right wing examples of euthanasia for grandma, socialized medicine, gov choosing your doctors for you, etc. My examples are too reasonable.
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