apple strudel

And so much for rationing:

Whistle-blower: Health care industry engaging in PR tactics - CNN.com

tanked_as_usual

one could say the same thing about obama scare tactics.........if it was all that, it would sell itself

apple strudel

It was only a matter of time before my biggest admirer showed up.

tanked_as_usual

continuing juvenile tactics..........you lack orginality

Patters

What are the scare tactics you're referring to? There are many specific scare tactics by the right, such as death panels, taking away your insurance, the government choosing your doctor, fewer Medicare benefits, fewer VA benefits, etc.

Can you post a few examples of Obama's scare tactics so I know what you're referring to?

Patsfanin Philly

Please answer me one question. The administration( bill in Congress)talks about saving $500 billion dollars from Medicare. If you're saving money by not spending money that you anticipate spending, how is that not cutting benefits????

House Democrats Say CBO Projects $500 Billion in Gross Savings From Medicare

stevedogc

A quote from Obama:

“If we don’t get health care done now, then no one’s health insurance is going to be secure. You’re going to continue to see premiums going up at astronomical rates, out of pocket costs going up at astronomical rates, and people who lose their jobs. . . finding themselves in a situation where they cannot get health care.”"

Sounds like scare tactics to me. Get my plan passed now or else. Sounds like the stimulus bill. "America's economy will never recover unless you pass the Stimulus bill right now". "America is facing the great recession in its history." He is basically putting forth his opinions as facts with nothing to back is up. That's trying to scare people into gettng what you want done without proving what you say.

apple strudel

How can scare tactics be based on the facts of the last few years?

1) Premiums have been going up and continue to do so. Fact.
2) People who lose their jobs do find themselves in the position where they can be refused health insurance. Fact.

In fact, even Lance Armstrong was denied coverage for his cancer treatment because he switched plans and the new one claimed it was a pre-existing condition. He only eventually got it because the CEO of one of his sponsors strong-armed their insurance provider to get Lance on their plan.

Patters

At least part of their thinking is as follows: By standardizing paperwork and systems, you'll massively reduce administrative costs; by having more info online (available to doctors with patient's consent), you'll reduce duplicate tests and duplicate efforts; and by providing more preventative care and counseling you'll reduce other costs. Here's a good example of the latter. Many older people want to die at home, but end up dying in hospitals because they are in no position to object. They are put on life support and kept that way sometimes for weeks or longer, at tremendous economic and emotional cost. But, if they were given the opportunity to specify a health care proxy and state their end of life wishes, it would be better for everyone.

tanked_as_usual

do you have any clue as to the administration costs as they are now?

if the government cannot maintain the solvency of something much simpler such as social security, what makes anyone think that the government can create a solvent health care system, and when has the government ever simplified anything? these are all fallacies by the sales people of the plan