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***IcyPatriot*** · 08-10-2009, 07:46 PM

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Patriot_in_NY · 08-10-2009, 07:52 PM

I forget....... would these be the patriotic, or the un-patriotic astroturfers with swastikas? So hard to keep track.

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***IcyPatriot*** · 08-10-2009, 08:01 PM

***IcyPatriot*** · 08-10-2009, 08:05 PM

***IcyPatriot*** · 08-10-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriot_in_NY

I forget....... would these be the patriotic, or the un-patriotic astroturfers with swastikas? So hard to keep track.

Are these workers Un-American?

If they're doing it for pay ... but didn't do it for free ... is that Un-American?

Perhaps Harry Boy can ask Nancy when he meets her for a spot of tea.

PatsFanInVa · 08-10-2009, 08:11 PM

Looks like standard canvassing and phone canvassing.

That ain't quite the same thing as shouting down your congressman at a public meeting at the behest of industry lobbyists

Here's what you're missing:

When the goal is to talk to thousands or hundreds of thousands of people, gather support, and grow that support, ya call that organizing.

When the goal is for industry lobbyists to round up a bunch of "the great angry masses" and shout down the vast majority who are there to discuss the issue, that's called astroturf.

Got the distinction? Grass-roots organizing is aiming to nurture and grow support through the grass-roots, i.e., by expanding the segment of the populace that agrees with you and is willing to be active.

Political operatives taking off their office attire, throwing on blue jeans, and describing themselves as just a mom... and marching in lockstep to shut down the process... welp, that just ain't the same thing.

But yeah there may be a good proportion of them taking their marching orders from industry thinking it's really what's best.

So let's say that the dollars spent by industry to create this "movement" are unimportant, and the astroturf protests are grassroots protests.

Do you believe them to be a constructive way for Americans to learn about what's in the bill(s) under consideration? By ending the meeting where the information is supposed to be available?

I don't.

PFnV

***patsfan13*** · 08-10-2009, 08:18 PM

You sure they aren't looking for a few good thugs to rough up the guys with canes and call then niggers? Like what happened to the Blakc conservative the SEIU thugs attacked?

***IcyPatriot*** · 08-10-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa

So let's say that the dollars spent by industry to create this "movement" are unimportant, and the astroturf protests are grassroots protests.

Do you believe them to be a constructive way for Americans to learn about what's in the bill(s) under consideration? By ending the meeting where the information is supposed to be available?

I don't.

PFnV

I think this crap goes on by both sides... Not I think - I know. I can find many articles where the left shouted and shut down debate when Bush was President. Please with this spin ... both sides do it ... both sides shout or sit in or act with manners as needed. Anyone who believes this to be a new ploy invented by the right has been locked in a basement for too long.

I can't believe you're towing the party line on this one.

I can find articles where Pelosi was working with Code Pink ... shouting right in front of her no less when Bush was President. She said their shouting invigorated her and the debate ... well now she hates them and they hate her. Come on PFnV ... you really can't be buying this media ploy ... not you.

PELOSI ... "“Preserving our planet is a national security issue…,” Pelosi said and paused. “I always say the best preparation for combat is combat,” she responded. “So just go for it, I respect your enthusiasm.”

***IcyPatriot*** · 08-10-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa

Do you believe them to be a constructive way for Americans to learn about what's in the bill(s) under consideration? By ending the meeting where the information is supposed to be available?

I don't.

PFnV

The meetings would have been irrelevant if pelosi had her way. She wanted the bill voted on and passed before the August recess. This is why the people are so angry ... and they have a right to be. We got stuck with a stimulus bill that was crafted behind closed doors and which our lawmakers voted on without reading.