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Old 07-17-2009, 11:22 AM   #1
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A hospital that serves thousands of indigent Massachusetts residents sued the state on Wednesday, charging that its costly universal health care law is forcing the hospital to cover too much of the expense of caring for the poor.

The hospital, Boston Medical Center, faces a $38 million deficit for the fiscal year ending in September, its first loss in five years. The suit says the hospital will lose more than $100 million next year because the state has lowered Medicaid reimbursement rates and stopped paying Boston Medical “reasonable costs” for treating other poor patients.

According to the suit, Massachusetts is now reimbursing Boston Medical only 64 cents for every dollar it spends treating the poor. About 10 percent of the hospital’s patients are uninsured — down from about 20 percent before the law’s passage in 2006. But many more are on Medicaid or Commonwealth Care, the state-subsidized insurance program for low-income residents.

One of the state’s reimbursement rates to Boston Medical, dropped from $12, 476 in 2008 to $9,323 by 2009, the suit says.
It could happen to ObamaCARE.:sin ging:

I would like to see health insurers sue Obama for his cheap 'medical treatment' and medication. I'm sure that many hospitals in US won't accept Obama's low payment.

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Old 07-17-2009, 11:26 AM   #2
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It will certainly happen if we leave things as is. It is happening under the status quo. So, what's your point? Obviously, you posted an example demonstrating that the system does not work right now and needs to be changed.
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It will certainly happen if we leave things as is. It is happening under the status quo. So, what's your point? Obviously, you posted an example demonstrating that the system does not work right now and needs to be changed.
I think his point was to show the law of unintended consequences. By instituting universal coverage as the Commonwealth did and having it cost more than anticipated ( sound familiar folks?) it needed to lower costs and in the process is bankrupting the hospital by lowering their reimbursement. At the same time, it is increasing their demand for their services. If they close their doors, all the citizens will suffer.
Take the blinders off and remember the words of C. Everett Koop, to paraprhase, you have three parts fo the healthcare system, high tech, immediate access and universal coverage. You can have 2 of the 3 but not all three....Which one are you willing to give up? If you get universal coverage, you will ultimately have to ration care and you WILL wait for care that today is accessible easily.
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Old 07-17-2009, 11:40 AM   #4
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Even the dems like Susan Estridge know this plan is insane:

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The idea that somehow you're going to tax the "rich" enough to pay for quality health care for every American who doesn't have it, can't afford it or stands to lose it, not to mention for all of the undocumented aliens who receive it for free now and presumably will continue to in Obama health land, is almost laughable. It's one of those things candidates say in campaigns, ignoring the fact that it doesn't add up. But in a bill that might pass? Add a 5 percent surtax on every small business in the country that makes $250,000 or more? This is going to create jobs? What am I missing?

The rest of the article is a good read:
Susan Estrich: Obama QAHCAA Health Care Plan 'Almost Laughable' | NewsBusters.org
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It will certainly happen if we leave things as is. It is happening under the status quo. So, what's your point? Obviously, you posted an example demonstrating that the system does not work right now and needs to be changed.
ObamaCARE is the same as your state CARE. According to ObamaCARE, he tries to 'lower' the cost of the bill because 2T dollars are too much and he would like to see 700 billion dollar bill instead.

Did I hear that hospitals are willing to accept Obama's low payments under ObamaCARE? Yes.

Here we go again. The history will REPEAT itself.

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There's a really easy solution.

Let those of us who want to keep what we've got keep it.
Put all the money raised (and no more) from the tax increase into a pot for government healthcare.
Those who choose to join the government plan get to use the pot as a group until it runs out.
Then the government plan is done until next year when this repeats.

The End.
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There's a really easy solution.

Let those of us who want to keep what we've got keep it.
Put all the money raised (and no more) from the tax increase into a pot for government healthcare.
Those who choose to join the government plan get to use the pot as a group until it runs out.
Then the government plan is done until next year when this repeats.

The End.
I think the cost is really the red herring. Obama's agenda doesn't really care what the costs are. His real agenda is for the government to control health care - as well as, energy, manufacturing and financial (including banking). Healthcare is 17% of our economy, and he wants it government-controlled. What terrifying power and influence you have over the masses when you can control their medical care, their temperature of their homes, how much gas they consume, how much money they can earn or keep, etc. I'm wondering if we'll soon need to have a chip implanted in our hand or forehead in order to buy groceries or gasoline.

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I think the cost is really the red herring. Obama's agenda doesn't really care what the costs are. His real agenda is for the government to control health care - as well as, energy, manufacturing and financial (including banking). Healthcare is 17% of our economy, and he wants it government-controlled. What terrifying power and influence you have over the masses when you can control their medical care, their temperature of their homes, how much gas they consume, how much money they can earn or keep, etc. I'm wondering if we'll soon need to have a chip implanted in our hand or forehead in order to buy groceries or gasoline.
I said that tongue in cheek but the main reason, agreeing with you, is it would then be clear that the government plan is a "last resort" not a big bully that will take down the nasty private insurance because it has the government backing it. Make it limited and a "last resort", then the health insurance business will be able to survive and continue.
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I don't like the ideas that doctors and hospitals have to accept Obama's low payments because it's the only way to keep Obamacare affordable and accessible to everybody.

You get what you PAY.
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I don't like the ideas that doctors and hospitals have to accept Obama's low payments because it's the only way to keep Obamacare affordable and accessible to everybody.

You get what you PAY.
And those that can pay will get the best care, if not in the Obamacare system, then in private hospitals that will spring up that take NO insurance and cater to the well to do. If they are banned here, exoect tosee them in Bahamas, Bermuda or close offshore where you'll be able to get that bypass, knee repalcement or ACL surgery without having to wait if you can pay for it.....
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