Who will pay for health care? - New England Patriots Forums

***NEPatriot*** · 07-15-2009, 06:54 PM

Who will pay for health care? Not us | Steve Chapman

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That's the clear opinion of the House Democrats who drafted a 1,000-page plan to overhaul the health insurance system. It's a complicated bill with a simple theme: You'll be getting something great, and you won't have to pay for it. It's Christmas in July.
But this program would be paid for entirely by other means. Half the tab would fall on households making $350,000 or more a year. Employers who don't provide health insurance to their employees would also have to pony up. Savings from Medicare and Medicaid are supposed to make a contribution as well. But you and me? Not a nickel.

That, at least, is what they want us to believe. In reality, higher taxes on the wealthy and on businesses are likely to impede job formation and reduce wages. But the politicians are betting the consequences will go unnoticed, or at least that voters won't figure out the cause.

If someone came up to you on the street, handed you something valuable and told you it was free, you'd immediately assume that 1) he takes you for a sucker and 2) there's a catch. The same assumptions are called for here.

This man speaks the truth. Obama's health care plan is too good to be true.

Trick or Treat ????

Holy Diver · 07-15-2009, 07:02 PM

I'm actually paying for everyone....Its all good, don't worry about it.

Holy Diver has got your back!

I've made quite a living over the past few days earning interest on cigarette purchases in the greater Manchester, NH area.

I will also be covering implants (but only for strippers and pornstars), and people can opt for eviro-friendly proceedures like having wings attached to cut down on pollution.

you are all welcome!

***Patters*** · 07-15-2009, 07:25 PM

There are tradeoffs in everything. On the other hand, a new health care system will cause a lot of restructuring that will probably lead to a number new jobs, and perhaps people retiring out of the old system. The rich will have less to invest, but many of the superrich might step in, knowing that sooner or later the Republicans or libertarians will regain power and cut taxes. The superrich invest in 50 and 100 year time frames, which makes them far more immune to politics.

***patsfan13*** · 07-15-2009, 09:00 PM

Most of the superrich are Dems (Gates, Buffett, Soros) who buy off the pols and never have to worry about the taxes aimed at small business.

alvinnf · 07-15-2009, 09:34 PM

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Most of the superrich are Dems (Gates, Buffett, Soros) who buy off the pols and never have to worry about the taxes aimed at small business.

Yeah, this is a death sentence to small business. It's tough owning a business with few employees, and this will only make it harder. In the end we will all just end up working for someone else, the government. It's like straight out of a science fiction novel. Pass the soylent green?

ljuneau · 07-15-2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Patters

There are tradeoffs in everything. On the other hand, a new health care system will cause a lot of restructuring that will probably lead to a number new jobs, and perhaps people retiring out of the old system. The rich will have less to invest, but many of the superrich might step in, knowing that sooner or later the Republicans or libertarians will regain power and cut taxes. The superrich invest in 50 and 100 year time frames, which makes them far more immune to politics.

OMG. Funniest post of the day! Somehow screwing the rich out of their money, is magically going to produce new jobs! Love it! Do you live in Fantasy Land in Disney, Florida? What you described has never happened in history, never will. Can you provide a name of your so-called super rich that are immune to politics? - come on, just one example.

alvinnf · 07-15-2009, 10:12 PM

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OMG. Funniest post of the day! Somehow screwing the rich out of their money, is magically going to produce new jobs! Love it! Do you live in Fantasy Land in Disney, Florida? What you described has never happened in history, never will. Can you provide a name of your so-called super rich that are immune to politics? - come on, just one example.

How about Goldman Sachs........

ljuneau · 07-15-2009, 10:15 PM

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How about Goldman Sachs........

A perfect example of a corporation that is completely affected by the government, because now they are partners with it - along with GE, and some Al Gore "green" corps.

alvinnf · 07-15-2009, 10:16 PM

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A perfect example of a corporation that is completely affected by the government, because now they are partners with it - along with GE, and some Al Gore "green" corps.

In agreement accept I think you meant cause and effecting!

***Patters*** · 07-15-2009, 10:23 PM

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OMG. Funniest post of the day! Somehow screwing the rich out of their money, is magically going to produce new jobs! Love it! Do you live in Fantasy Land in Disney, Florida? What you described has never happened in history, never will. Can you provide a name of your so-called super rich that are immune to politics? - come on, just one example.

You're mixing up politics and reality. You clearly don't know much about the economic history of the United States, but it would take too long for me to educate you about that. Briefly, consider that Ike had a 90% income tax bracket, Kennedy had a 70% income tax bracket, Clinton raised taxes, and you know what they all had in common? They had thriving economies. But, like I said, you confused politics with reality. Poor you.