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PatriotsReign · 06-21-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BelichickFan

Americans like obama (don't know why) but his policies are getting less favorable. His popularity will start to wane. Why is he more popular than Clinton or the Bushes ? Because Americans WANT to like him and they aren't ready to give up on the hope just yet.

Regarding unumployment, it may welll be down around the midterms because this guy has held back almost all the spending on temporary jobs until 2010.

You're right BF...I like Obama but I'm baffled by his talk about starting so many programs and increases in taxes when the economy is in a quagmire.

Also, he needs to speak up more on what's going on in Iran. I hope he's not holding back so that other middle eastern nations won't get upset with him. Who cares what they think?

PatriotsReign · 06-21-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sdaniels7114

You mean like when unemployment has long since peaked and dropped back down again? Yeah, I think you're in for a big let down.

We aren't going to see unemployment DROP anytime soon. Certainly not in 2010.

***BelichickFan*** · 06-21-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Stokes

You don't know why? Watch him, listen to him.

I would like to think the Americans are smart enough to see through the eloquence and the "don't blame me" crap. Like PR, he's smart enough. Maybe he's an exception.

PatsFanInVa · 06-21-2009, 05:21 PM

Combo pack. He came on the scene when a battery of old arguments were just mired in the muck of ideological polarization. In addition, the ones that weren't mired in the muck, had lurched into disaster through far right, ideologically "pure" positions.

Who was trying to sell deregulation in Fall of 08? Nobody. That was the Republican religion up until then. It had failed. We all knew it.

But a couple things he does:

1) The old "with malice toward none" routine. Although I see that our locals here quote one fringie scribbler as "proof" that the left is more hateful (?!?), the reality is, the left, or to properly describe Obama, the center, is no such thing. We're all tired of bitterness.

2) He invites anybody to the dialog, very publicly, and he does not dismiss their arguments out of hand. You might be a tad out of touch if you believe he's going to fund your next tea party or something, but in the public eye, he exudes that graciousness.

3) At present he seems to embody the hopes of a previously unknown or minimally known voting group, the millenials. As they go through life the attitudes they started with will hit formative points. So far
- 9/11
- the 2008 downturn.

So who cares, right? Well, when I did reading about these peckerheads around 05-06, it turned out they were bigger savers than their moms and pops, and guess what they at least said they were saving for? A house. We know how they voted, though we don't know how they sorted out in terms of the economic system. Most likely those w/interest in class perpetuation -- the priviledged -- voted McCain or stayed home. Maybe not though.

4) He embodies a multiethnic mindset for a multiethnic country and a multiethnic world.

For many, this hew and cry about whether he was a Muslim during the campaign is that much more laughable today. Of course not. But is he a man a Muslim can more easily listen to? Of course. Not just because of his personal experiences... but you see how well he uses his personal experience in his work.

He's got a hard task, yet an easy one. His job is to bring us back from the single greated fustercluck of a presidency in history (by many lights; certainly top 10.)

America was handed to him shorn of vitality, a financial system, or respect in the world, and on the brink of too many crises to count. So that makes his job hard.

But what he's got to work with is a people very much ready to show it's not just a silver-spoon country club full of spoiled rich brats, and is capable of being a world citizen, not to mention earning our keep in terms of our role of innovation. So that makes his job very easy.

When you project where we'll be in '12, when the completion of the Republican self destruction is scheduled, you'll need to run against his record of progress.

But it'll be a record of coming back from the pit the robber-king dug us.

Yeah good luck lurching to the right to fix what ails ya'.

PFnV

PatriotsReign · 06-21-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa

Combo pack. He came on the scene when a battery of old arguments were just mired in the muck of ideological polarization. In addition, the ones that weren't mired in the muck, had lurched into disaster through far right, ideologically "pure" positions.

Who was trying to sell deregulation in Fall of 08? Nobody. That was the Republican religion up until then. It had failed. We all knew it.

But a couple things he does:

1) The old "with malice toward none" routine. Although I see that our locals here quote one fringie scribbler as "proof" that the left is more hateful (?!?), the reality is, the left, or to properly describe Obama, the center, is no such thing. We're all tired of bitterness.

2) He invites anybody to the dialog, very publicly, and he does not dismiss their arguments out of hand. You might be a tad out of touch if you believe he's going to fund your next tea party or something, but in the public eye, he exudes that graciousness.

3) At present he seems to embody the hopes of a previously unknown or minimally known voting group, the millenials. As they go through life the attitudes they started with will hit formative points. So far
- 9/11
- the 2008 downturn.

So who cares, right? Well, when I did reading about these peckerheads around 05-06, it turned out they were bigger savers than their moms and pops, and guess what they at least said they were saving for? A house. We know how they voted, though we don't know how they sorted out in terms of the economic system. Most likely those w/interest in class perpetuation -- the priviledged -- voted McCain or stayed home. Maybe not though.

4) He embodies a multiethnic mindset for a multiethnic country and a multiethnic world.

For many, this hew and cry about whether he was a Muslim during the campaign is that much more laughable today. Of course not. But is he a man a Muslim can more easily listen to? Of course. Not just because of his personal experiences... but you see how well he uses his personal experience in his work.

He's got a hard task, yet an easy one. His job is to bring us back from the single greated fustercluck of a presidency in history (by many lights; certainly top 10.)

America was handed to him shorn of vitality, a financial system, or respect in the world, and on the brink of too many crises to count. So that makes his job hard.

But what he's got to work with is a people very much ready to show it's not just a silver-spoon country club full of spoiled rich brats, and is capable of being a world citizen, not to mention earning our keep in terms of our role of innovation. So that makes his job very easy.

When you project where we'll be in '12, when the completion of the Republican self destruction is scheduled, you'll need to run against his record of progress.

But it'll be a record of coming back from the pit the robber-king dug us.

Yeah good luck lurching to the right to fix what ails ya'.

PFnV

Ya shoulda finished with, "Can I have an Allaluya and an Amen?!" Yes we can PFiVA...yes we can.

Well said my brother...I may not always agree with you, but you do have a way with the written word.

***BelichickFan*** · 06-21-2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa

1) The old "with malice toward none" routine.

Right, which is why he won't take questions from Fox and cries because they tell the truth about him.

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa

2) He invites anybody to the dialog

As long as you aren't Republican. He might have some faces there to make it look good but this administration (Pres and Congress) won't even consider Republican bills or ideas.

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa

4) He embodies a multiethnic mindset for a multiethnic country and a multiethnic world.

Irrelevant.

obama is a douche, I'm with Rush - and, no, I don't listen to Rush, I just happen to agree with him.

alvinnf · 06-21-2009, 07:04 PM

He's the 'Entertainment Tonight' president, glitz and glam and no substance, well unless you included misleading the public and crisis hopping. I like my Presidents not to be celebrities until their film career is over.