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PLEASE! The mullahs pick who the people can vote for, and possible even fix the results of their hand picked candidates. Ahmendinejad isn't a choice of the people. He's a choice of the mullahs. If you don't know this then you apparently don't know Iranian politics.
The koolaid you people drink is comical. Bush's saber rattling, and action in Iraq, which you say created Ahmenidajad, well, how's he working out for Iran now? Ah, but my bad. Irans problems, with 25% inflation, and 12% unemployment (according to them anyway), have got nothing to do with all this. Their hard line restrictions on music, movies, make up, and everything social, aren't either. Not even the free elections in their two bordering countries, or the sanctions imposed on them over the last 4, 5, 6+ years are at play here. Matter of fact, all those things only happened since Obama gave "The (koolaid) Speech" last week.
The Soviets crumbled from within, and we didn't fire a shot at them either. Which speech made that happen?
Ah, yes, it was BRILLIANT of Bush to make palatable to the mullahs and the people someone as far-caveman as Ahmedinejad. That W. was a foreign policy savant - - because his plan all along (I guess according to you) was to bluster and offend the Iranians so much that they would get their backs up in a p.o'd state and turn to Ahmedinejad who would naturally buffoon the economy into shambles and cause a natural reaction towards reform as a result.
Wow. Brilliant.
How about using the Obama way of being a more respectable and desirable model of governing, thereby make Ahmedinejad a complete joke for opposing that?
How many riots, etc occured in 2005 when Ahmedinejad last won? What do you think is adding fuel to the fire for those riots NOW? The people there have seen and heard Obama and they reject Ahmedinejad making him into the enemy. With Bush it was all believable.
Obama is the WORST thing to happen to Ahmedinejad and the right-wing mullahs. They've lost the street, and while they may keep power for a time at the point of the gun, the genie is out of the bottle.
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In his first public comments on the situation in Iran, Mr Obama said: "It would be wrong for me to be silent on what we've seen on the television the last few days."
He added: "I think that the democratic process, free speech, the ability for folks to peacefully dissent, all those are universal values and need to be respected.
"Whenever I see violence perpetrated on people who are peacefully dissenting, and whenever the American people see that, I think they're rightfully troubled."
Mr Obama said it was for Iranians to decide who their leaders will be.
"We respect Iranian sovereignty and want to avoid the United States being the issue inside of Iran," Mr Obama said.
I might like to see Obama use this opportunity to show solidarity with the protesters by refusing to recognize the results of the election and by extension the leader that was "elected." Of course that won't happen as his policy is basically the opposite, just something I think would be a way to invigorate the opposition without the problem of US involvement that could turn sentiments against the protest. Also, quoting Reagan is always a good thing:
"Someone has said that when anyone is denied freedom, then freedom for everyone is threatened. The struggle in the world today for the hearts and minds of mankind is based on one simple question: Is man born to be free, or slave? In country after country, people have long known the answer to that question. We are free by divine right. We are the masters of our fate, and we create governments for our convenience. Those who would have it otherwise commit a crime and a sin against God and man." -- Ronald Reagan, Radio Address to the Nation on Solidarity and United States Relations With Poland, October 9, 1982
Ah, yes, it was BRILLIANT of Bush to make palatable to the mullahs and the people someone as far-caveman as Ahmedinejad. That W. was a foreign policy savant - - because his plan all along (I guess according to you) was to bluster and offend the Iranians so much that they would get their backs up in a p.o'd state and turn to Ahmedinejad who would naturally buffoon the economy into shambles and cause a natural reaction towards reform as a result.
Wow. Brilliant.
How about using the Obama way of being a more respectable and desirable model of governing, thereby make Ahmedinejad a complete joke for opposing that?
How many riots, etc occured in 2005 when Ahmedinejad last won? What do you think is adding fuel to the fire for those riots NOW? The people there have seen and heard Obama and they reject Ahmedinejad making him into the enemy. With Bush it was all believable.
Obama is the WORST thing to happen to Ahmedinejad and the right-wing mullahs. They've lost the street, and while they may keep power for a time at the point of the gun, the genie is out of the bottle.
Seriously dude, you are such a koolaid drinker its pathetic. Obama has been in office for 5 months, and you think this is all cuz of his speech. LOLOLOLOL! That's so retahdid, it's tragic. Seriously, take off the goggles, and put down the koolaid. Do you understand what Geopolitical Change in the ME is? It's a long term strategy that started post 9/11, and is it is that strat, along with the sanctions imposed, the election results, and the plethora of other reasons I've stated in this thread, at play here. Oh, wait, my bad, it's "The (koolaid) Speech". Maybe Obama can give a speech about Koreans and get NK to straighten out then right? Wow are you a koolaid drinker.
TEHRAN, Iran, Oct. 8, 2007
Tehran Students Protest Ahmadinejad Speech
The outspoken Iranian president is one of the most controversial figures on the international stage.
(CBS/AP) An estimated 100 students staged a rare demonstration Monday against Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, calling him a "dictator," which prompted scuffles with hardline students at Tehran University.
Country / Iran Iran: Paramilitary Force Prepares For Urban Unrest
September 30, 2005
By Bill Samii
Are Iranian authorities expecting civil unrest?
The Basij Resistance Force, a paramilitary organization connected with the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps, appears to be undergoing something of a revival under the administration of President Mahmud Ahmadinejad.
This could be connected with the organization's alleged role in securing votes for Ahmadinejad during the presidential campaign and on election day. Ahmadinejad, furthermore, appointed Hojatoleslam Heidar Moslehi, the supreme leader's representative to the Basij, as an adviser in mid-August.
2003 June 13 Friday Student Protests In Iran Greatest Seen In 5 Years
Students in Tehran have protested for 3 nights in a row.
ISTANBUL, June 13 (Friday) -- Clashes this week between students and security forces in Tehran appear to be the most significant civic protests inside Iran in almost five years, according to analysts and witnesses who say it remains unclear whether the unrest will spread to the general population.
Iran student protests, July 1999
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Iranian Student Protests of July, 1999 (Also known as 18th of Tir and Kuye Daneshgah Disaster (Persian: فاجعه کوی دانشگاه) in Iran) (7-13 July[1]) were the "worst", most widespread and violent public protests in Iran, since the early years of the Iranian Revolution.[2]
They began on July 8 with peaceful demonstrations in Tehran against the closure of the reformist newspaper, Salam. This was followed by an attack on a student dormitory that night by vigilantes and riot police in which a student was killed. This in turn sparked six days of demonstrations and rioting throughout the country in which at least three more people were killed and more than 200 injured.[1]
Following the Iran student riots in 1999, more than seventy students disappeared. In addition, to an estimated 1,200-1,400 detained, the "whereabouts and condition" of five students named by Human Rights Watch remained unknown, but are believed to be detained by Islamic authorities.[3]
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Seriously dude, you are such a koolaid drinker its pathetic. Obama has been in office for 5 months, and you think this is all cuz of his speech. LOLOLOLOL!
Where did I say it was all because of a speech??
In fact, if you actually take the time to READ what I wrote, I specifically DERIDED the idea others have been making here that making speeches and statements will do anything - - just as the UN is derided for its empty words.
It is YOU who needs a remedial reading comprehension class this summer.
The Cairo speech was one part of many other things that have taken Ahmedinejad's argument that they must "protect the homeland against the devil aggressors" away from him and the mullah's.
You can spin what I wrote as much as you want if it makes you feel better. The truth is that Obama's complete policy to the Iranian street has taken Ahmedinejad's main selling point (Bush, US imperialist aggression) away from him. He's got nothing but bribery to the rural population in his ammo bag now.
The students have always protested Ahmedinejad, that's no news. But now, for the first time, there is real mass to it, because the moderates and some conservatives are joining in. These are the people that were needed all along, and who stayed with Ahmedinejad because of the big bad bogeyman "threatening" them (as Ahmedinejad used).
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"Can everyone please stop the name calling, and act a little more civilized. It's ok to have a heated, or spirited debate, but making it personal is immature. We all lose our cool sometimes, or have cranky days, but try to keep it as civil as possible."
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Less than 2 weeks later:
"Seriously dude, you are such a koolaid drinker its pathetic. Obama has been in office for 5 months, and you think this is all cuz of his speech. LOLOLOLOL! That's so retahdid, it's tragic. Seriously, take off the goggles, and put down the koolaid. ...... Wow are you a koolaid drinker. "
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In fact, if you actually take the time to READ what I wrote, I specifically DERIDED the idea others have been making here that making speeches and statements will do anything - - just as the UN is derided for its empty words.
It is YOU who needs a remedial reading comprehension class this summer.
The Cairo speech was one part of many other things that have taken Ahmedinejad's argument that they must "protect the homeland against the devil aggressors" away from him and the mullah's.
You can spin what I wrote as much as you want if it makes you feel better. The truth is that Obama's complete policy to the Iranian street has taken Ahmedinejad's main selling point (Bush, US imperialist aggression) away from him. He's got nothing but bribery to the rural population in his ammo bag now.
The students have always protested Ahmedinejad, that's no news. But now, for the first time, there is real mass to it, because the moderates and some conservatives are joining in. These are the people that were needed all along, and who stayed with Ahmedinejad because of the big bad bogeyman "threatening" them (as Ahmedinejad used).
Nice back track. I wasn't the only one who took your words for what you meant, so no reading class needed thank you. I especially like the way you point to the "carrot" and deride the hard line stance taken post 9/11. Meanwhile, you said it took 5 years of protests to do in the gubmit in '79, and that it won't take as long this time. Um, hello, protests have been going on there for a decade now. Even before GW was in office (1999). Keep drinking that koolaid though. Maybe if GW had just sent them some vegetables post 9/11, the Mullahs would have rescinded their control over the people?
This is exactly what the long term strategy hoped to accomplish. To set up an environment where the insertion of a freely elected gubmit, in the heart of the ME, would create a situation where the surrounding people would feel compelled to eventually demand the same. I'm not discounting Obama's effect, or the fact that the people there may see him more favorably than George Bush. That is all going to play out in the overall picture. I just think Obama has the least to do with all of this, since the foundation was set over a decade ago, by forces beyond our control, and some by our efforts thereafter.
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"Can everyone please stop the name calling, and act a little more civilized. It's ok to have a heated, or spirited debate, but making it personal is immature. We all lose our cool sometimes, or have cranky days, but try to keep it as civil as possible."
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Less than 2 weeks later:
"Seriously dude, you are such a koolaid drinker its pathetic. Obama has been in office for 5 months, and you think this is all cuz of his speech. LOLOLOLOL! That's so retahdid, it's tragic. Seriously, take off the goggles, and put down the koolaid. ...... Wow are you a koolaid drinker. "
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Huh? I called you a koolaid drinker, and said you're wearing the Obama goggles. I didn't call you names, like retard, idiot, arsehole, or anyhting like that. If calling a person a koolaid drinker is some kind of personal attack, then we've got some thin skin in here. If I say something stupid, call me comments dumb, or retahdid. Doing so doesn't mean you're calling me dumb. Hey, BB went for it on 4th & 13 in the SB, which was beyond stupid, but it doesn't mean he's stupid. It simply means that decision was.
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Would like to think that our operatives are stirring the pot and making things uncomfortable... if they were not would be real surprised. We will know in about 20 years if they were.
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