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The problem here is that what you perceive as 'standing resolutely' they perceive as ready to attack. Which by and large will tend to cement people to their leaders in exactly the same way Bush's popularity shot up right after 9-11. Our invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan delayed this if anything.
Actually the people of Iran don't really believe that we are "getting ready" to attack them. The Mullah's do, the people don't. Ask the typical persian from Iran (if you know any). They fear the Mullah's more than us.
Not any more though....... apparently
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You think this is from OBama's speech? LOLOLOLOL!!!
This is a combination of a very young populace, a tough talking old schooler being in power (running a poopy economy), even tougher mullahs calling the shots, years of sanctions, restrictions on music, cloths, holding hands, etc. a life long neighboring rival having free elections (not the kind where the mullahs name the people you can vote for), and an election turnout that those youngsters didn't like. The goggles some of you people are wearing, need a little Windex.
Bush was the best thing to happen to Ahmedinejad in the domestic-political sense (as was the US war in Iraq - if you know anything you would understand who the REAL winner of the US-Iraq war was). Ahmedinejad used him as the bogeyman to the masses and they voted him in out of fear. If YOU don't understand that then you have no understanding of Iranian politics. Politically, Obama was the worst thing to happen to Ahmedinejad.
In the meantime, the populace was young when Ahmedinejad was voted in last time and Mousavi is older than Ahmedinejad. The bogeyman is gone and the young Iranians admire Obama. Ahmedinejad has no ammo.
As I wrote in the OP, true regime change happens from WITHIN, not at the point of a foreign army's canons. Would the W. Bush Administration had been so wise.
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"They (Patriots) may be the greatest team ever" - Chris Mortenson, January 18, 2005 on espn.com
Actually the people of Iran don't really believe that we are "getting ready" to attack them. The Mullah's do, the people don't. Ask the typical persian from Iran (if you know any). They fear the Mullah's more than us.
Not any more though....... apparently
Now THAT is 100% true. You're right on the money there.
If the Iranian people thought the US was ready to attack, Ahmedinejad would have LEGITIMATELY garnered 80%+ of the vote.
This is exactly my point. The "street" there is now on our side, and the hardliners and mullahs are sbitting bricks.
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"They (Patriots) may be the greatest team ever" - Chris Mortenson, January 18, 2005 on espn.com
Note: Khattami who was the most moderate Iranian President since the Revolution won his two terms before 9/11. Ahmedinejad was the first post-9/11, post US-Iraq Invasion Iranian President.
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This is not about the particular candidate #1.........
This is a student/youth revolution protesting the suppression of the will of the people (democracy), and yes....... 8 years of isolation and a US policy of ME geopolitical change (performs very poorly at times), likely does have an impact. It's possible that "hope and changes" Cairo speech fomented a little leg tingling pre-election.
Which is all the more reason that a SIMPLE statement to the effect:
"We stand with the Persian people and their right to the democratic due process and we adhore the violence were seeing at the various protest's."
Nothing inflammatory or grandstanding, just a simple statement or support. Instead, we're letting Germany speak for us.
Done:
In his first public comments on the situation in Iran, Mr Obama said: "It would be wrong for me to be silent on what we've seen on the television the last few days."
He added: "I think that the democratic process, free speech, the ability for folks to peacefully dissent, all those are universal values and need to be respected.
"Whenever I see violence perpetrated on people who are peacefully dissenting, and whenever the American people see that, I think they're rightfully troubled."
Mr Obama said it was for Iranians to decide who their leaders will be.
"We respect Iranian sovereignty and want to avoid the United States being the issue inside of Iran," Mr Obama said.
Just put in the terms "Iran" and "Riots" in the search box of youtube.com
Been watching these the past 20-30 minutes. Amazing. This thing is following the regular trajectory. Whether Ahmadinejad survives this for a few days, a few weeks or 1-2 years, this is a fire that won't be going out. He would've been smarter rigging the election to be 50.5% to 44% (with 4-6% for the other two jokers) or something like that (OK insert Repub or Dem joke here).
He's a pretty stupid amateur.
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"They (Patriots) may be the greatest team ever" - Chris Mortenson, January 18, 2005 on espn.com
In his first public comments on the situation in Iran, Mr Obama said: "It would be wrong for me to be silent on what we've seen on the television the last few days."
He added: "I think that the democratic process, free speech, the ability for folks to peacefully dissent, all those are universal values and need to be respected.
"Whenever I see violence perpetrated on people who are peacefully dissenting, and whenever the American people see that, I think they're rightfully troubled."
Mr Obama said it was for Iranians to decide who their leaders will be.
Better, for sure...... I would have like something a little stronger, but it's a start.
Actually, I think we've found a little common ground and we're probably not too far off. I'll post more in a bit when I have a little more time. This has been in the making for awhile. Not saying it was all planned or deliberate, but the series of events have culminated in this week.
Lets not forget the regional considerations too. Their economy is in shambles and dinnerjacket regime has been particularly brutal as well.
Anyhow, chech out Twitter's coverage. There is quite a bit of realtime stuff coming out of Iran. 2-3 M was the estimated crowd in Tehran. Incredible stuff. The youtube stuff is unbelievable too.
Bush was the best thing to happen to Ahmedinejad in the domestic-political sense (as was the US war in Iraq - if you know anything you would understand who the REAL winner of the US-Iraq war was). Ahmedinejad used him as the bogeyman to the masses and they voted him in out of fear. If YOU don't understand that then you have no understanding of Iranian politics. Politically, Obama was the worst thing to happen to Ahmedinejad.
In the meantime, the populace was young when Ahmedinejad was voted in last time and Mousavi is older than Ahmedinejad. The bogeyman is gone and the young Iranians admire Obama. Ahmedinejad has no ammo.
As I wrote in the OP, true regime change happens from WITHIN, not at the point of a foreign army's canons. Would the W. Bush Administration had been so wise.
PLEASE! The mullahs pick who the people can vote for, and possible even fix the results of their hand picked candidates. Ahmendinejad isn't a choice of the people. He's a choice of the mullahs. If you don't know this then you apparently don't know Iranian politics.
The koolaid you people drink is comical. Bush's saber rattling, and action in Iraq, which you say created Ahmenidajad, well, how's he working out for Iran now? Ah, but my bad. Irans problems, with 25% inflation, and 12% unemployment (according to them anyway), have got nothing to do with all this. Their hard line restrictions on music, movies, make up, and everything social, aren't either. Not even the free elections in their two bordering countries, or the sanctions imposed on them over the last 4, 5, 6+ years are at play here. Matter of fact, all those things only happened since Obama gave "The (koolaid) Speech" last week.
The Soviets crumbled from within, and we didn't fire a shot at them either. Which speech made that happen?
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